The Tories

[Less]

Originally Posted by Guinness

Wow.....just wow!

Indeed, though I think it's a little better when read in the original Greek.

[cmonstanley]

In this day and age no one should have to be cold, hungry or homeless at Christmas.

Yet half a million fellow Britons are now relying on food banks to feed themselves and their children.

Christmas is a time of forgiveness but I will never forgive those Tory MPs who thought it hilarious that people have ended up in fights over cheap food.

That’s right.

According to my colleague Fiona McTaggart, extra security guards have been hired by Tesco to deal with the fights when the fresh veg is discounted at the end of the day.

When she raised it in the House yesterday, people were laughing.

These Tories think it is funny.

This year I heard a child describe what it feels like to be hungry.

She told of the sensation in her tummy when the hunger pains begin and the light-headed feeling that makes it hard to think.

It’s hard to imagine being so poor that you can’t feed your children. It’s repellent and it offends our sense of decency.

And those scoffing Tories laugh.

There’s something very wrong with our country.

When a banker makes a profit, the company is generally able to pinpoint the individual responsible with a reward bonus.

Yet when a bank goes under, costing the taxpayer trillions and leaving a million young people without work, what happens? You can’t find anyone responsible. They've run to their hillside villas never to be seen again.

Nearly one in five of my constituents in work earn less than the living wage.

And they work some of the longest hours of any other region in the country.

They work hard but they don’t earn enough to pay their bills at the end of the month.

And these Tories think it’s funny that people fight for cheap food.

It doesn’t have to be this way.

We could live in a country where success is based on ability not privilege.

We could be a nation that values kindness and fair play.

We could own the great assets of the state: the water that falls from the sky and the railways that our taxes have paid for.

We could live in a society that rewards entrepreneurs that make things rather than the speculators that move their assets around the City.

Our people could think the energy and rail companies act in their interest again, rather than the personal interest of the fat cats that run them.

They could trust their politicians and newspapers.

They could be happy in the knowledge that their children will have a better start in life than they did.

What a Christmas present to Britain that would be.

You’ve got a snowman’s chance in hell of it happening with this mob in government.

Do you think the MPs who laugh at the poor who fight for food will achieve any of this?

Of course they won’t. They’re playing at politics, even when our children suffer hunger.

tom watson labour mp

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

More of your copy & paste, it was only at the end we found who you quoted.

I agree with the sentiments in that post, but not with the way it's shown by you.

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by Less

More of your copy & paste, it was only at the end we found who you quoted.

I agree with the sentiments in that post, but not with the way it's shown by you.

i put who quoted it dont spoil a good piece

[Neil]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

i put who quoted it dont spoil a good piece

I don't like Tom Watson, he appears to out for whatever he can get for himself

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Neil

he appears to out for whatever he can get for himself

Too many words ... "politician" would have said it all.

[cmonstanley]

i like tom watson he brought out a lot of truths

[Neil]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

i like tom watson he brought out a lot of truths

More like he was upset because he was caught out cheating in more than one way and brought out instead of him coming out

I heard an alleged story about him and how the outed him but couldn't possibly repeat it, he can afford better lawyers than me.

[mallard]

some of them are back stabbers

[cmonstanley]

BBC News - Apollo Theatre collapse fire crews set to be axed they dont even care

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

BBC News - Apollo Theatre collapse fire crews set to be axed they dont even care

And your point is? Reading through various reports, this one included, it has been stated that, 25 Ambulances & crews plus an air ambulance, 8 fire engines & over 50 fire fighters from at least 3 stations, plus hundreds of police officers, attended. All this, to an incident in a venue that holds a maximum of 755 people. Even being generous & taking into account the acting contingent & functionaries who run the theatre, doesn't the response seem a little excessive?

Since so many assets were available for deployment to this one "minor" incident, on a Thursday evening, last week before Christmas (a notably very busy time) & in the Capital itself, doesn't this not then suggest there may just be a surplus of certain agencies & that some judicious thinning is both feasible & inevitable?

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

And your point is? Reading through various reports, this one included, it has been stated that, 25 Ambulances & crews plus an air ambulance, 8 fire engines & over 50 fire fighters from at least 3 stations, plus hundreds of police officers, attended. All this, to an incident in a venue that holds a maximum of 755 people. Even being generous & taking into account the acting contingent & functionaries who run the theatre, doesn't the response seem a little excessive?

Since so many assets were available for deployment to this one "minor" incident, on a Thursday evening, last week before Christmas (a notably very busy time) & in the Capital itself, doesn't this not then suggest there may just be a surplus of certain agencies & that some judicious thinning is both feasible & inevitable?

The responce by the Fire Brgde is made by the first Fire Officer on the scene, and from experience that would have been makes pumps 6, HP & ET required, they would then have all the nescessaary Fire Fighing & rescue equipment available at the scene for any contingency, how would they know there would be no flames, better to have the gear ready, than have the delay of ordering it later, and some of those appliances could have come from a few miles away, you would soon change your mind if flames were licking your arse.

[DaveinGermany]

As far as the fire service response Retlaw I'd be inclined to note your opinion being as you're an old timer. But since your active days there's been many & varied technological & efficiency changes, added to that as you state they may come from various stations & according to the report that was the case.

All that aside the rest of the emergency services were also present in vast numbers & as such it seems to me personally that the response was excessive given the incident in question.

Still all of the above is largely irrelevant in that C'mon was appropriating this article in another one of his efforts at Tory bashing! Don't get me wrong, if people (Politicians) screw things up they're rightly deserving of scorn & upbraiding, but with C'mon it's incessantly sniping at all things Tory. I'm pretty sure that out there in the big bad World there's some pretty monumental screw ups perpetrated by libdumbs & even his beloved Liebor, but they don't come in for the bile & invective "Our man in the North" ceaselessly spouts! Balance in all things would be nice.

[cmonstanley]

your talking rubbish, the population of revellers , theatre goers , shop workers and traffic in that area was in excess of 30,000 people london has a population of 7 million people .efficiency and technology wouldnt work ie if this was a bomb which london is on high alert for. i go through that area regularly as i am in london frequently . you have no clue about london even if it was labour doing this i would criticise . this is like turkeys praying for christmas as tory mps frequent this area frequently .

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

your talking rubbish

Really C'mon? Which article did you highlight hmmm? This I believe - BBC News - Apollo Theatre collapse fire crews set to be axed

So using your C&P as my starting point, I formulated my response, looking further, seeking facts, something you seldom do. I must admit to making a mistake, I read in one of the articles I viewed that the capacity was "755", this being my mistake, I should've looked further, like here - Apollo Theatre London Seating Plan and Seat Tips

It appears the capacity is actually 775, so I stand corrected. But, as for your comment of talking rubbish, I'd strongly disagree. If you were more precise in your accusations & allegations, I'd be more inclined to give your rantings credence, unfortunately I don't see any evidence for this, so you'll excuse me if I continue to debunk & disdain your "arguments".