The Tories - Page 244

DaveinGermany · 28-12-2013, 23:45

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Originally Posted by Guinness

And no doubt they can write that off for tax purposes.....not really the true spirit of volunteering

Ah! See your point now, but as he's doing volunteer work for another concern & they're not paying him, he's a "Volunteer" to them. And his company, well they're just doing their little bit of philanthropic niceness, can't harm their image any can it?

Thereby putting C'mons somewhat skewed & dogmatic view of "Wicked Tory grasping chiefs of industry" being all about profit ahead of humanity.

gpick24 · 28-12-2013, 23:59

I suppose it depends who he works for. Lets say he`s a fireman and does 4 days a year "voluntary" work but then gets 4 extra days off with pay. Who pays for that?

Guinness · 29-12-2013, 00:15

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Ah! See your point now, but as he's doing volunteer work for another concern & they're not paying him, he's a "Volunteer" to them. And his company, well they're just doing their little bit of philanthropic niceness, can't harm their image any can it?

Thereby putting C'mons somewhat skewed & dogmatic view of "Wicked Tory grasping chiefs of industry" being all about profit ahead of humanity.

Nope you're missing the point completely..there is zero volunteering occurring here...one man is being paid, one company is offsetting this pay against tax.

The charity has an extra body for a day, the company is profiting from the tax break and Neil is providing the humanity...he is being paid, albeit indirectly, by the taxpayer.

You still sure that Cmon is wrong? Who has the profit here, who has the humanity and who is paying?

Neil · 29-12-2013, 00:17

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Originally Posted by Guinness

And no doubt they can write that off for tax purposes.....not really the true spirit of volunteering

Damned if they do, damned if they dont

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Originally Posted by gpick24

I suppose it depends who he works for. Lets say he`s a fireman and does 4 days a year "voluntary" work but then gets 4 extra days off with pay. Who pays for that?

I work for a private company so no need to worry about that

Neil · 29-12-2013, 00:20

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Originally Posted by Guinness

Nope you're missing the point completely..there is zero volunteering occurring here...one man is being paid, one company is offsetting this pay against tax.

The charity has an extra body for a day, the company is profiting from the tax break and Neil is providing the humanity...he is being paid, albeit indirectly, by the taxpayer.

You still sure that Cmon is wrong? Who has the profit here, who has the humanity and who is paying?

You are making a lot of assumptions there.

Cmon is always wrong so no need answering that one

Guinness · 29-12-2013, 00:23

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Originally Posted by Neil

You are making a lot of assumptions there.

Cmon is always wrong so no need answering that one

Yup..I'm assuming you are human

gpick24 · 29-12-2013, 00:35

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Originally Posted by Neil

I work for a private company so no need to worry about that

It will still be offset somewhere, lets say you work for currys then, and every employee did 4 days a year volunteer work, don`t you think that would mean either as has been said, company pays less tax, or, the price of electricals go up. One things for sure Currys won`t be losing out.

Neil · 29-12-2013, 01:39

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Originally Posted by gpick24

It will still be offset somewhere, lets say you work for currys then, and every employee did 4 days a year volunteer work, don`t you think that would mean either as has been said, company pays less tax, or, the price of electricals go up. One things for sure Currys won`t be losing out.

I think my firm do it because it makes them look good working with charities.
Only a small percentage of employees do it anyway.

jaysay · 29-12-2013, 10:02

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

showing their true colours again

UK weather: Conservative energy minister goes to fox hunt while thousands are hit by power cuts - Mirror Online out of touch and soon to be out of government.

to be replaced by what, two Mr. Eds now that's really something two Eds certainly better that one

ones a real balls up for a start with

DaveinGermany · 29-12-2013, 11:34

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Originally Posted by Guinness

You still sure that Cmon is wrong?

Wrong, misguided, predictable, tedious, obsessive .......... so many adjectives & only one C'mon!

Less · 29-12-2013, 11:44

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Originally Posted by Neil

I think my firm do it because it makes them look good working with charities.

Only a small percentage of employees do it anyway.

Unless of course you are doing something that requires sponsorship such as a marathon, charity work should be like secret Santa, you do it because you can to make a difference to the project, not for publicity for you or some company.

The joy is making a difference, not in praise by blowing your own trumpet or using an employee to make it seem like you are worthy of some false praise.

Neil · 29-12-2013, 12:20

Most companies blow their own trumpet as a way of saying how good they are when trying to get more business

Margaret Pilkington · 29-12-2013, 12:29

yes of course they do and in the world where business is almost seen as 'dirty' it seems that they have to prove themselves to be honourable...and if charities benefit it is no bad thing.
It would be a better thing if the bosses of the big charities took less money out of the pot so that those who really need the help can get it.....and please don't anyone tell me that if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

Margaret Pilkington · 29-12-2013, 13:43

I also 'get' the distrust Guinness has for volunteer work.
Especially where this means that the work isn't there for someone to be paid for doing it.....to put bread on the table for a family.
It would be hard for some jobs to be done by volunteers...but then there are some things that volunteers are good at.

Feeding folk in hospital........what would you choose....that your elderly infirm mother is fed by a caring volunteer or is left to starve because the nurses, HCA's are too busy doing other things?.....it is easy to say employ more of them, but if the budget isn't there, then it isn't going to happen.

The Australin Fire and rescue service rely heavily on volunteers......people from the local community who want to make their community safe in times of need(bush fires, and floods).
Volunteer services have to be balanced so that the trained people can supervise the volunteers...make sure that what they are doing is no risk to their health or to the health of those they are trying to help.
Volunteering is good for personal esteem as well as the esteem of business.

Eric · 29-12-2013, 13:45

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

It would be a better thing if the bosses of the big charities took less money out of the pot so that those who really need the help can get it.....and please don't anyone tell me that if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

It would also be a better thing if the bosses of big business and big business itself paid their fair share of taxes so that the need for charity would not be as pressing.