The Tories - Page 245

Neil · 29-12-2013, 13:49

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Originally Posted by Eric

It would also be a better thing if the bosses of big business and big business itself paid their fair share of taxes so that the need for charity would not be as pressing.

It would be better if the tax rules weren't so poor that companies can legally pay little tax.

You can't blame a business for legally reducing it's outgoings. They are in business to make money.

Margaret Pilkington · 29-12-2013, 13:53

All political parties have had opportunites to close loop holes in the tax system....none of them have acted.
They know that these loopholes exist...and as Neil rightly says, the businesses are in it to make money...and anyway they can reduce their outgoings will maximise their profits.
There is no philanthropy in business.

Eric · 29-12-2013, 14:10

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Originally Posted by Neil

It would be better if the tax rules weren't so poor that companies can legally pay little tax.

You can't blame a business for legally reducing it's outgoings. They are in business to make money.

And it would also be a good thing if one asked the question, "Why are the tax rules so poor?" It's no accident.

If you have any spare time, William L. Shirer's "Collapse of the Third Republic: An Inquiry into the Fall of France in 1940" has some interesting chapters on how big business and it's leaders, and their unwillingness to pay their fair share, contributed mightily to the defeat of France in WW ll.

By the by, as you are no doubt aware, "caritas" is one of the three theological virtues, along with some faith, and some of what was left in Pandora's box ... it should come from the heart and the soul ... it should not be a public relations exercise.

Margaret Pilkington · 29-12-2013, 14:13

Like everything else in this world(or so it seems to my cynical self)'caritas' has been hijacked for commercial purposes.
Need to get my pills changed again, they don't seem to be working that well.

Less · 29-12-2013, 14:47

So, I have a reasonable size company with several employers.
I have a pet project, it could be anything that seems worthwhile.
I use part of what should go in taxes to set up and register a charity.
I can now use up to 95% of any cash paid into that charity as administration fees. I can also offer my employees the chance of working a couple of days for the charity and reward them with their wages for the time involved. Which I no doubt can write off against my company taxes. Why do I bother producing anything? Why don't I just liquidate my main companies assets then run the charity full time?
Lovely tax free dosh with volunteer workers doing unpaid work to keep me smelling of roses.

After all, I no longer have to worry about paying a workforce, ensuring they are attracted to working for me by offering good pension and company perks, no doubt no VAT, if I also make it a religious charity perhaps no business rates on my place of worship/head office.
I could use part of my administration costs to pay for excellent accountants that will filter what's left to some offshore bank say perhaps Iceland then, although I haven't actually paid out one penny to the needy of my charity my accounts show the money to be intact and earning me a nice bit of tax free interest that will be used to 'improve' my administration.

Margaret Pilkington · 29-12-2013, 14:53

Less...this time next year you could be a millionaire.

Less · 29-12-2013, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Less...this time next year you could be a millionaire.

Not really Margaret my plan stands no chance, look at the first sentence I obviously don't know the difference between an employee and an employer! Predictable text got me again.

Eric · 29-12-2013, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Less...this time next year you could be a millionaire.

Then, to the tune of the Red Flag: The working class can kiss my ass

Margaret Pilkington · 29-12-2013, 15:33

Predictive text or not...I got the gist of it.
Anyway when you are, I do hope you remember your friends

cmonstanley · 29-12-2013, 15:43

Horny Escorts prostitute job advert posted on government website 'in error' | Metro News ian duncan smith fails again.. lol

Gordon Booth · 29-12-2013, 16:45

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

Horny Escorts prostitute job advert posted on government website 'in error' | Metro News ian duncan smith fails again.. lol

Why, did he not get the job?

Eric · 29-12-2013, 17:22

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

Horny Escorts prostitute job advert posted on government website 'in error' | Metro News ian duncan smith fails again.. lol

Have to admit that I don't get the point of this post.

What's the problem? I presume that escort agencies are legal in the UK, and that it legal to advertise the services. So, what is the thing about the govt. website? Is it that this particular service was taking advantage of free advertising? Or is it that govt. should not associate itself with such a "sinful" service, one that many members of parliament use or have used?

Margaret Pilkington · 29-12-2013, 18:18

C'mon sees it as a sleaze thing.....in much the way that the red tops do.
It is an inflammatory headline. Something which he hopes will offend.
I am much more offended by politicians who lie, cheat and steal from the public purse......and unfortunately for us, they come in all political shades......for similar reasons that large companies avoid paying taxes - because they can!

cmonstanley · 29-12-2013, 21:20

you do miss the point. if somebody who refuses to go to a job interview that is on universal jobmatch gets sanctioned no questions asked. anybody can pose as an employer and put a job and organize a venue for interview . does that make you safe going sending a 16 girl year old for a job interview. if this was on for 2 days before being properly checked out what else is on there. here is another fake one Universal Jobmatch: Fake ads seeking MI6 hitmen and mafia couriers posted on Government's new website | Mail Online

Margaret Pilkington · 29-12-2013, 21:57

you can' blame anyone for missing the point when all you post is a link and a half arsed cryptic comment.
I would guess that a lot of people do not bother to read the links you put up as they no longer trust them to be anything other than a sensationalist headline.

Just as I am sure that if jobs like MI6 hitman and Mafia couriers were advertised, most of us would realise that they are not actual jobs.