The Tories

[Margaret Pilkington]

Some of those share holders are people who have put money into pension funds(so that they can have a reasonable life when they do actually retire)So if you contribute to a private pension, you may be a shareholder in many companies without actually knowing it....some of them are councils who have invested money to offset rising costs.

You paint share holders as all bad. You paint shareholders as all greedy and on the make.
Shareholders put money into companies so that companies can expand, research new markets, find and develop new products.
Without shareholders - those people who are willing to invest, some companies would cease to exist. Jobs would cease to exist.

I bought a small number of shares when I was working.......I am not paid billions. I get two small dividends each year.....neither of them have ever been more than £40...and sometimes I have received barely enough to buy myself a fish and chip supper.

[cmonstanley]

no such thing as invest from a hedge fund as we see what is happening at rangers they put 8 million in and took £70 million out. this shouldn't be happening to tax payers money . virgin,national express, serco, etc are run by a collection of very wealthy individuals who don't have the national interest at heart . there is no nationality its about class now . if i was in charge i would bring in a national savings in pensions make it competitive so people would use it so your money would be safe for a pension and the money wouldnt leave the country. its funny how so called lefty so called anti british policy made britain great with infrastructure building putting people in britain first. its funny how the tories wave the union jack and say they are patriotic but they are the ones who have done the most harm to britain and its people. sorry to ramble on but the current situation will only make things worse. there will always be people at the bottom and to give them a chance we need full employment and we cant do that giving money away to certain individuals.

[Guinness]

C'mon gets hammered every time he posts..

a) Weird thing is there were zero posts in general for almost 2 days and only a couple in the 2 days before that, C'mon posts and suddenly there is a plethora.

b) At least he puts his head over the parapet, it's easy to dismiss his arguments because he rarely follows them up, but I've yet to see a post that gives an opposing political argument. The usual strains of 'they are all the same' or 'what did your lot do'... just doesn't cut it as a valid anti-argument for me.

c) As for the shareholder argument, he isn't talking about the ordinary guy who has a tiny portfolio that can do zilch about the value of them, he is talking about the makers and shakers that can wipe out our meagre investment with a phone call or simple wave of a piece of paper on the floor of the stock exchange.

Blair is a war criminal, Brown is an idiot, but Cameron is slowly, secretively and irretrievably destroying the infrastructure of this country using headlines of 'benefit scroungers', 'invalidity scroungers', and 'the workshy' to cover his tracks. Our NHS, social care and mental health support is stretched to breaking point because of constant cutbacks, this leads to headlines in our local paper of troubled teenagers jumping off the Arndale and a man hanging himself in hospital.

Cameron claims there are no cutbacks to frontline services..that's true...there are plenty of frontline social service and NHS paper pushers constantly cutting funding to secondary hands on doctors, nurses, healthcare workers and other various support institutions.

Our railways are in disarray, our roads are full of potholes, lights are switched off on dangerous sections of motorway, our energy is foreign owned and we are overcharged without recourse (other than Cameron stating that they are very naughty boys), our schools are infiltrated by religious nutjobs, our jobless figures are massaged using zero hour and 16 hour contracts as full employment, our further education system figures are tweaked by offers of over generous bursaries and excess funding, our laws are made in Europe, our taxes are twisted to affect the poorest the most and the richest the least. We are unable to die with dignity unless we are fit enough to dot i's and cross t's on claim forms.

If I were a Scot..I'd vote to get the heck out, it's what DaveinGermany has done

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

just maybe, the country will return to its former glory & we might just want to come back home to stay

The current crop of conservatives are far worse than Thatcher ever was..she was upfront about putting the working class in their place...the current lot are killing off the old, infirm and troubled using banner red top headlines to whip up support from the unthinking and unfeeling.

Camerons 'big society'...the poor can look after themselves, the rich need help..

I like to think I'm a socialist, but I do not believe that the majority of the current crop of Labour politicians represent these values (and I specifically include Graham Jones and the majority of our local Labour councillors in this)...before I lose faith in humanity, how about the conservatives amongst you? Do you truly believe that Cameron and his crooks represent your values?

[Margaret Pilkington]

I had stopped posting to this thread as I am fed up of reading the same old same old....like the government of the past were lily white, like they never did anything wrong.
C'mon has, in the past posted just cut and paste stuff......it becomes tedious because in some instances he looks at a headline and it sounds like it supports his political views when it doesn't really.
He also posts stuff which is difficult to decipher because it is unpunctuated...and we all know that a little punctuation mark can alter the whole meaning of a lump of text.

It is time that we all realised that we - the electorate, have very little power over how this country is run. All politicians are in it for themselves. NOT for what they can do to make our lives better.
They do not listen to those who put them in the Palace of Westminster. They are elected because they say they will do something, then they go and do the exact opposite.
If voting changed anything, they would not let us do it.
If we vote and it all goes belly up then the politicians have someone to blame - us.
This may sound a cynical and jaundiced view. I just call it how I see it.

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Originally Posted by Guinness

C'mon gets hammered every time he posts..

I think you're wrong, C'mon gets hammered before he posts.

Originally Posted by Guinness

a) Weird thing is there were zero posts in general for almost 2 days and only a couple in the 2 days before that, C'mon posts and suddenly there is a plethora.

I doubt that it is his fault people hadn't been posting.

Originally Posted by Guinness

b) At least he puts his head over the parapet, it's easy to dismiss his arguments because he rarely follows them up, but I've yet to see a post that gives an opposing political argument. The usual strains of 'they are all the same' or 'what did your lot do'... just doesn't cut it as a valid anti-argument for me.

Punch can be seen on the beach in summer, he puts his head up several times a day, but like c'mon he always says the same things.

Rather than quote and comment about the rest of your come on, give C'mon a break post, let's just say, it was very similar to C'mons many, many posts in this thread, but you seem to know where to put the commas & full stops.

By the way the, 'they are all the same' argument works for most of us because...


...They ARE all the same.

Call The Tories no matter what, C'mon,
That's The Way To Do It!

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

under nationalized industries people could afford to travel to workl

When there wasn't strikes, a work to rule, the actual means of transport was working or available, that was nationalization for you! Once again C'mon you're letting your skewed views cloud the discussion!

[cmonstanley]

times have changed people now know them days have gone. mp we never had this when labour was in Passport fiasco: Concern as frontline staff drafted in to tackle backlog - Telegraph in fact labour created the uk border control which has been effective even the tories admitted it. im not saying the last government was perfect iraq was a mistake Afghanistan was a disaster but if the utilities were still nationalized we wouldn't have needed to go into these places, as billions of pouinds have left these shores wasted to certain individuals linked to the tories. the real enemy from within. any way people get back to watching the hedge fund sky news the have actually reached their goal of brainwashing the public.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

times have changed people now know them days have gone.

Really?

im not saying the last government was perfect iraq was a mistake Afghanistan was a disaster but if the utilities were still nationalized we wouldn't have needed to go into these places,

How you come to that conclusion is beyond me!

Confused it appears! So the dark days are gone are they? Folk no longer need to be concerned about getting from A-to-B because those nice people in the unions wouldn't dream of inconveniencing the general public, not like them nasty tories! Try again Cmon!

Games transport workers to ballot on strike action - Daily Record This on your own doorstep!

Union suspends three-day London transport strike | Reuters And this from the dim & distant past of Apr-May 2014!

[Wynonie Harris]

So Blair and the Labour government's participation in the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was caused by privatisation? Personally, I blame privatization for a lot but even I draw the line at that!

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

So Blair and the Labour government's participation in the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was caused by privatisation? Personally, I blame privatization for a lot but even I draw the line at that!

yep if we had our own oil we wouldn't need to rely on the middle east but the private companies sell the oil off to our competitors. cameron says uk plc what a load of drivel, its not about nationality any more its about quick buck and class.

[Wynonie Harris]

So, Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with Blair's overweening ambition to be a world statesman?...his grovelling sycophancy to Bush?...and where does Cameron figure in these events under the last Labour Government? You really are mad as a box of frogs, aren't you?

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

times have changed people now know them days have gone. mp we never had this when labour was in Passport fiasco: Concern as frontline staff drafted in to tackle backlog - Telegraph in fact labour created the uk border control which has been effective even the tories admitted it. im not saying the last government was perfect iraq was a mistake Afghanistan was a disaster but if the utilities were still nationalized we wouldn't have needed to go into these places, as billions of pouinds have left these shores wasted to certain individuals linked to the tories. the real enemy from within. any way people get back to watching the hedge fund sky news the have actually reached their goal of brainwashing the public.

My goodness Guinness really wants to defend you when you talk tripe like this?

Have you ever considered reading your own crap?

Surely even you can tell the difference between sense & nonsense?

Oh, obviously not, you really should consider where is the real world?
It certainly ain't Alice's looking glass.

[cmonstanley]

so if the uk was self sufficient we wouldn't need to go into iraq or Afghanistan there's the clue. as this inept government cocks up the prisons.

[cashman]

Well Labour,who i always voted for,were in long enough to Re- Nationalise, Why didn't they?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Don't hold your breath waiting for C'mon to answer that one Cashy.
In fact there were a lot of things that the could have done, should have done, but didn't bother, because they were brainlessly following that liar Blair...you know the chap who was far more interested in what the world would think of him to care about ensuring the safety of the UK.

He was too busy cosying up to George W Bush to make sure that the country was not over-run by immigrants. Was too keen on social engineering/multiculturalism/diversity to listen to the concerns of those who voted for him.
He was a champagne socialist of the very worst kind.....only half a step removed from a Tory....but C'mon will not accept this.