The Tories

[cmonstanley]

Ed did admit about mistakes on immigration in the last labour government but at least we had a uk border agency in place ready to expand what did the tories do? They sacked most of them off , so you get more official immigration and even more unofficial immigration because there is nobody to police it. I retiterate no deals with the separatists no way the separatists up here call labour the red tories when they are more tory than anybody.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

I retiterate

Ooh er Matron, really!!!

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Guinness

So..what is your answer..what will you do to effect a change?

It's all too easy to snipe at someone who has convictions, no matter how misguided and simplistic, without offering an alternative.

It's also so easy to say 'they are all the same'..and write 'none of the above' on your ballot paper....which the official counter just chucks in the 'shows how wasted magna carta, suffragettes, WW1 & 2 was' bin without giving your opinion a second thought.

I'm a socialist..but i'm voting for an ultra right UKIP...

Why?....send me a PM asking why a Labour run LCC is enforcing cuts to private sector social care whilst ploughing money into LCC social care

Or...why a Labour run Hyndburn council ( many of whom are related/close friends) feel that they can get some councillor living in Rishton deciding its best to move a war memorial in Huncoat regardless of public feeling (oh wait..this is what his leader is doing over the EU)..

You really need to put your 'X' where it 'MAY' count

I freely admit that I do not have the answer.
I am not alone in this.
I am not politically apathetic. I do not vote traditionally for a particular party....I have no political allegiance.
If I am going to award my vote to someone it has got to be because I believe that they have the interest of the country and the common man at the heart of what they do.
That they respect the person who gave them their vote....?Not that they think we(the electorate) haven't got the brains to work things out, to read, to research.
I do not give my vote easily or without thought.

You think I am sniping at C'mon......it would be good if we could understand what his posts mean.....but the way he posts leaves much to assumption and guesswork.....all because he doesn't punctuate his posts.

Come Thursday I will take myself down to the polling station and I will do what my conscience permits me to do.
The Magna Carta and all the other historical stuff you quote allows me the freedom of choice....it means that, if I wish to, I can withhold my vote.
That is what freedom allows....a choice.

You believe in democracy?
It is a mythical beast. If voting changed anything they would stop us from doing it.
All the political parties know that once elected they can do pretty much what they want for a period of five years....and the electorate can do burger all about it.

[cmonstanley]

Vote for somebody who will put their political career at risk for the good of the country.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

Vote for somebody who will put their political career at risk for the good of the country.

I would if I could think of one!

[Margaret Pilkington]

Me too!
They all appear to be in politics for what they can do to improve their own life, rather than improving the country.
Whatever happens I will not be voting for Ed Millibands crew.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

Vote for somebody who will put their political career at risk for the good of the country.

Virtually impossible these days.

[cmonstanley]

ed milliband has . he has said no deal with the separatists even if it means he is not pm. I believe him . Cameron hasn't ruled out a coalition with anybody . make your own judgement. the snp were in coalition with the tories in the Scottish parliament . they kept this quiet didn't they. Rupert Murdoch and his laccies are running scared , ed is bringing in competition laws which will affect news international this is the reason murdochs interests are attacking milliband like no one before.

[Margaret Pilkington]

The thing is,what he says and what he does are different things.
There will be no party with enough seats to govern without the input of other parties.
As things go it is looking increasingly likely that the Labour Party will lose lots of seats in Scotland.....and even if Ed does not jump into bed with the SNP party, it is inevitable that they will have influence...And their agenda is not one which is going to be beneficial to England.
The SNP will be as obstructive as possible......so it would be crazy to vote for Labour, bearing this in mind.
Nicola Sturgeon has said quite clearly that it will be the SNP pulling the strings if labour are elected.

[cmonstanley]

i keep telling you the cybernats have hijacked every poll and the Murdoch press are attacking labour but on the ground its not the same story. just like Murdoch and his cronies said it was a yes vote win in the referendum. he is trying to rig it again as he wants to weaken the uk for his own ends. there will be no deals with the snp they can vote how they want but labour will not have anything to do with them .they have burnt their bridges big time up here with their intimidation and thickness. you are falling into the tories and Murdoch press trap.

[cmonstanley]

I cant believe you have fell for sturgeons blag no deal , no co-operation nothing to do with them how many times does ed milliband have to say it.

[cashman]

If yeh think Ed or Cameron wont jump into bed wi anyone, to give em clout, then yeh have just reached a new level in stupidity cmon, one i didn't think possible.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

i keep telling you the cybernats have hijacked every poll and the Murdoch press are attacking labour but on the ground its not the same story. just like Murdoch and his cronies said it was a yes vote win in the referendum. he is trying to rig it again as he wants to weaken the uk for his own ends. there will be no deals with the snp they can vote how they want but labour will not have anything to do with them .they have burnt their bridges big time up here with their intimidation and thickness. you are falling into the tories and Murdoch press trap.

You've got me puzzled, cmon.
Various independent polls show the SNP has a massive lead, the Murdoch papers don't do the polls, they just publish them.
And yet you have your feet on the ground up there so should know the groundswell of opinion better than us down here in civilization.
Are you saying the polls are all wrong or are you, perhaps, only talking to those with opinions similar to yours so getting an optimistic view of the voting pattern?
Either way we'll soon know, then it will get interesting!

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

i keep telling you the cybernats have hijacked every poll and the Murdoch press are attacking labour but on the ground its not the same story. just like Murdoch and his cronies said it was a yes vote win in the referendum. he is trying to rig it again as he wants to weaken the uk for his own ends. there will be no deals with the snp they can vote how they want but labour will not have anything to do with them .they have burnt their bridges big time up here with their intimidation and thickness. you are falling into the tories and Murdoch press trap.

The only poll that really means anything is the one on Thursday.
There will be NO party with enough seats to govern....so who ever gets in, they are going to need the support of a smaller party.....and if Labour get in....and the lib dems lose a lot of seats then, to be able to get legislation passed, they will rely on not being blocked by the SNP.....and they cannot rely on that.

I do not believe anything a politician tells me..if they told me it was day I would look out of my window to make sure.
Why is this? Because all the parties have lied to us......manifesto's, promises mean nothing when you know they have five years to do what they want.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

I cant believe you have fell for sturgeons blag no deal , no co-operation nothing to do with them how many times does ed milliband have to say it.

He can tell me until his dying breath...I don't believe him!