The Tories - Page 41

garinda · 02-10-2011, 09:55

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Originally Posted by jaysay

I see you watched "Dispatches" on Monday night too Rindi, wonder if C'Mon did

na the truth always hurts

Nah.

I learn more watching Corrie on Monday evenings.

cmonstanley · 02-10-2011, 13:41

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

Does that mean Labour support the working class ? As discussed elsewhere Labour support the not working class more than the working class

anybody who brought in the national minimum wage did the working class a favour imagine the european migrants legally working or £1 an hour and bringing down the standard of living.the tories and david cameron opposed it fact

Margaret Pilkington · 02-10-2011, 14:37

that's right.....if you don't like the subject...change it and go on to something else.

The last new labour government were all for creating dependency...knowing full well that it is easy to control those who are dependent on you for day to day living. They did not encourage working...or a work ethic......they encouraged people to feel like the victims in society, rather than giving them a ladder to climb out of their poverty, they put the paving stone of benefits on their heads so that they felt it wasn't worth working. After all, why work when you can get enough to live on and watch daytime TV?

cmonstanley · 02-10-2011, 16:34

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

that's right.....if you don't like the subject...change it and go on to something else.

The last new labour government were all for creating dependency...knowing full well that it is easy to control those who are dependent on you for day to day living. They did not encourage working...or a work ethic......they encouraged people to feel like the victims in society, rather than giving them a ladder to climb out of their poverty, they put the paving stone of benefits on their heads so that they felt it wasn't worth working. After all, why work when you can get enough to live on and watch daytime TV?

thats rubbish thousands of people who were deemed unemployable got jobs the ones who started the rot were the tories by encouraging people to go on the sick to fiddle the unemployment figures in the eighties to destroy the manufacturing industry to please the shareholder mentality that got us in this mess in the first place and thats not my opinion its the opinion of people who have worked on the frontline for decades.theres one reason that got us in this mess yes greed tory greed plain and simple get the figures who got helped baked into work during the labour years and who got helped back into work during the eighties youll find most on the sick were thrown on the scrap heap with no help for them to get back into work in the eighties so get the facts right

Margaret Pilkington · 02-10-2011, 19:01

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

thats rubbish thousands of people who were deemed unemployable got jobs the ones who started the rot were the tories by encouraging people to go on the sick to fiddle the unemployment figures in the eighties to destroy the manufacturing industry to please the shareholder mentality that got us in this mess in the first place and thats not my opinion its the opinion of people who have worked on the frontline for decades.theres one reason that got us in this mess yes greed tory greed plain and simple get the figures who got helped baked into work during the labour years and who got helped back into work during the eighties youll find most on the sick were thrown on the scrap heap with no help for them to get back into work in the eighties so get the facts right

And where pray, is the evidence for this drivel that you have posted?
You say it isn't your opinion, but the opinion of those who worked on the frontline....the frontline of what exactly?

I don't recall the tory party encouraging people to seek benefits....but I do recall the new labour party encouraging immigration...bringing in people from other countries to do jobs for much less money....I do recall some social engineering, in that it was Ok not to be married, it was Ok to be a single mother,(to have babies, so that the benefit machine continued to cough up the money)it was Ok to get the council to find you a home, it was Ok for you to draw benefits until your youngest child left school.

In short, new labour fostered a level of dependency on benefits because they knew it gave them control over this section of the population.
It would be in the interests of these people to continue to vote labour, well, that is, if they wanted to continue living on benefits.

They made it easier to claim benefits than to go to work......a work ethic was not encouraged.
There is nothing as motivating as a hungry belly to make you find a job.
I have heard unemployed people talking......
'If they think I am getting out of bed for minimum wage they are effing crazy' No work ethic, no self respect...would rather let someone like me...(on a pension) support their lifestyle

I don't entirely blame the people for this, I blame the benefits sytem.

It should have been radically overhauled years ago, but no political party has ever had the guts...they just tinker around the edges

Margaret Pilkington · 02-10-2011, 19:11

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

That's rubbish. Thousands of people who were deemed unemployable got jobs.
The ones who started the rot were the tories, by encouraging people to go on the sick.
To fiddle the unemployment figures in the eighties.
To destroy the manufacturing industry to please the shareholder mentality.

That got us in this mess in the first place, and thats not my opinion.
It's the opinion of people who have worked on the frontline for decades.
There's one reason that got us in this mess, yes greed, tory greed plain and simple.
Get the figures who got helped baked into work during the labour years, and who got helped back into work during the eighties.
You'll find most on the sick were thrown on the scrap heap, with no help for them to get back into work in the eighties so get the facts right

For those who cannot be bothered to wade through your unpunctuated mass of text....here it is in punctuated form.
Easier to read but drivel nevertheless.

Margaret Pilkington · 02-10-2011, 19:13

I just don't get how destroying the manufacturing base pleases the shareholder mentality.
Shareholders want manufacturing to grow, for companies to sell more goods...that is how they get their dividends, how they make money.

Eric · 02-10-2011, 20:05

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I just don't get how destroying the manufacturing base pleases the shareholder mentality.
Shareholders want manufacturing to grow, for companies to sell more goods...that is how they get their dividends, how they make money.

Point is, they can make more money exporting manufacturing jobs overseas to countries that have low wages and no protection for workers (and I'm talking about safety and benefits, not the pcism of workplace safety where a peanut causes a furor) ... if the tories cut corporate taxes in order to encourage investment in England, major corporations will say "thanks for the cash ... and, we are moving manufacturing out of the country any way." It's the American way, British style. The reason the German economy and that of the Japanese are so strong is that they still make stuff. They pay their workers well and treat them right. Workers make good money and spend it at home. You can't have a major league economy with easy credit and jobs flipping burgers.

I think I'll put on my Nike's and go for a beer.

Margaret Pilkington · 02-10-2011, 20:36

That sounds like a damned good idea!
Manufacturing in this country has not gone altogether, but the majority of it has.
China can make stuff so much cheaper...and cheaper sells.
This isn't a new phenomenon. In the mid sixties I worked in a weaving mill making high quality mattress tickings. The place closed and took all its capacity for production to South Africa. It was cheaper to manufacture the goods out there.

You can't turn back the clock......you have to live with the constraints of the situation you find yourself with.
This coalition government have only been in place 16 months...yet they are expected to put right the things that were wrong for many years during a new labour administration....and things that were admitted at the recent Labour party conference.........so it isn't jsut me saying they got it badly wrong...they(new Labour politicians) are saying it too.

Personally I couldn't care less if we were governed by a two headed monkey, as long as they could sort out the many things that ail our country at the moment.

Oh yeah, if you're buying I'll have a pint of Stella. (do they do that where you are Eric...stella, I mean)

Eric · 02-10-2011, 22:07

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

That sounds like a damned good idea!
Manufacturing in this country has not gone altogether, but the majority of it has.
China can make stuff so much cheaper...and cheaper sells.
This isn't a new phenomenon. In the mid sixties I worked in a weaving mill making high quality mattress tickings. The place closed and took all its capacity for production to South Africa. It was cheaper to manufacture the goods out there.

You can't turn back the clock......you have to live with the constraints of the situation you find yourself with.
This coalition government have only been in place 16 months...yet they are expected to put right the things that were wrong for many years during a new labour administration....and things that were admitted at the recent Labour party conference.........so it isn't jsut me saying they got it badly wrong...they(new Labour politicians) are saying it too.

Personally I couldn't care less if we were governed by a two headed monkey, as long as they could sort out the many things that ail our country at the moment.

Oh yeah, if you're buying I'll have a pint of Stella. (do they do that where you are Eric...stella, I mean)

Yup ... we have Stella; but right now I'm having a Bomber

And there's lots left in the fridge, just behind the deer roast, to the left of the moose steak.

Sure they make things cheaper in China; but, have you ever noticed major corporations that move overseas passing on the savings to the consumer? No way, the extra money goes into the pockets of the chief executives and the major shareholders.

And from what I hear, you are governed by a two headed monkey. One head is called David and the other Nick.

jaysay · 03-10-2011, 08:42

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Originally Posted by Eric

Yup ... we have Stella; but right now I'm having a Bomber

And there's lots left in the fridge, just behind the deer roast, to the left of the moose steak.

Sure they make things cheaper in China; but, have you ever noticed major corporations that move overseas passing on the savings to the consumer? No way, the extra money goes into the pockets of the chief executives and the major shareholders.

And from what I hear, you are governed by a two headed monkey. One head is called David and the other Nick.

Thats still better than a one head stupid Jock