The Tories

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

I suspect they kept quiet because he management was unaware of the scale of the problem or they were trying to avoid a charge of criminal negligence thrown against them. The fact remains that this company was in the public sector at the time and that is something that you cannot deny.

Oh no it wasn't was it, bet or friend didn't realise or even know that little fact

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

Just watched a programme on T.V. n was amazed to learn the E.U. Human Rights idea emanate from a Tory, Winston Churchill in 1948, n came to fruition in 1950 by another un. Wonder why good ole David n Co never mention that fact whilst saying its no good?

Cashy there's nothing wrong with the human rights act, just the way its aloud to be used, it was never intended to allow criminals to get the vote or people living here without justification, its now probably the most misused legislation in use

[Margaret Pilkington]

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

These are five interesting statments made by an economics professor........I do not take credit for them, (after all I only found them) but I thought that they may just provide something of interest for those reading this thread.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

These are five interesting statments made by an economics professor........I do not take credit for them, (after all I only found them) but I thought that they may just provide something of interest for those reading this thread.

When I was reading that Margaret, I though hell you've missed your vocasion, The only problem there Margaret is C'Mon won't understand a word, economics ain't his strong suit

[cashman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Cashy there's nothing wrong with the human rights act, just the way its aloud to be used, it was never intended to allow criminals to get the vote or people living here without justification, its now probably the most misused legislation in use

Wrong, whats not right is its been lumped together wi every other E.U. member, Some of those members dont really give a toss about human rights,so unless they all agree (very Unlikely) yeh can never change it. We need our OWN bill of rights.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Spot on Cashy....and we need them to be controlled by judges in this country....not Strasbourg.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

Wrong, whats not right is its been lumped together wi every other E.U. member, Some of those members dont really give a toss about human rights,so unless they all agree (very Unlikely) yeh can never change it. We need our OWN bill of rights.

Cashy even if we did have or own Bill of rights we would still be governed by the European act, its nothing to do with the EU, we would still come second best, its the European court that needs changing and made to stick to what it was first introduced for, not a charter for evading justice

[Margaret Pilkington]

Other countries ignore the human rights(as well as other EU legislation and rules) they don't like...nothing happens to them....but the UK is slavish in its adherence to the rules....I'm sure if it did something wrong it would dob itself in

[Margaret Pilkington]

It is long past the time when we should be looking out for the interests of our own people....rather than those who want to come and dip their bread in our gravy.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Cashy even if we did have or own Bill of rights we would still be governed by the European act, its nothing to do with the EU, we would still come second best, its the European court that needs changing and made to stick to what it was first introduced for, not a charter for evading justice

What a crap reason. Yeh can't change it n yeh know it. Its a good enough reason to get out of the whole sheebang.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Again, I'm with you Cashy.......though I don't think it will happen anytime soon.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

What a crap reason. You can't change it n ye know it. Its a good enough reason to get out of the whole sheebang.

That's just it cashy you can't opt out, its nothing to do with the European Union, even if we were stand alone, people would still be able to take their case to the European court of human rights

[cashman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

That's just it cashy you can't opt out, its nothing to do with the European Union, even if we were stand alone, people would still be able to take their case to the European court of human rights

They could take it were the hell they want if we withdrew simple as.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

They could take it were the hell they want if we withdrew simple as.

And any adjudication made by that court would be binding in Britain

[cashman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

And any adjudication made by that court would be binding in Britain

Bull tell that to some members of the E.U.