The Tories - Page 97

cashman · 06-04-2012, 09:55

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Originally Posted by jaysay

No it shouldn't be allowed to carry on but neither should it be withdrawn, putting more people on the dole, something that Dumb and Dumber would love so they can carry on their tirade against the government, its a poor state of affairs when people are jumping through hoops doing hands stands a cheering when people lose their jobs, most of which was caused by their useless mates in the first place, just so they can gloat, now that really is the pits

Please point out were they say it should be withdrawn? I seem to have missed that.

If yeh can't point it out that makes you as bad as em.

cmonstanley · 06-04-2012, 11:54

you cant read a chart lol credit crunch rises just before election down by not much but coming down no going back up to early nineties lol percentage wise will be different due to rise in population due to europe not one political party.

cmonstanley · 06-04-2012, 11:56

tory party the party for unemployment

garinda · 06-04-2012, 13:04

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

you cant read a chart lol credit crunch rises just before election down by not much but coming down no going back up to early nineties lol percentage wise will be different due to rise in population due to europe not one political party.

Oh everyone can clearly see the actual facts.

It's only those fools, blinded by their one party political blinkers, who struggle to see the reality of a situation.

As I've said before, your posts have become so boring for everyone, I'm sure you're really a secret Tory propagandist.

People, with a few exceptions, have the intelligence to understand exactly what all the political parties have done, and are doing.

Banal ramblings, painting one side worse than the other, is very likely to have the opposite effect, to what you're hoping for.

We English hate being preached at.

Plus, very often we'll give our support to the underdog.

For making the Tories into that underdog, you must be congratulated.

Well done you.

DaveinGermany · 06-04-2012, 13:39

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Originally Posted by Mancie

Aw come one.. it's a pretty sure thing that some of those who loose housing benifit will end up on the streets.

I'll not deny your point as there will be some unfortunates who will end up on the streets. The vast majority on the other hand will manage & the cataclysmic scenario espoused by those who are trying to make a political point will end up by contriving to say their comments were misrepresented.

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Originally Posted by Mancie

As we speak we are getting on to almost 3 million unemployed in the UK..around 22% of that figure are under 24yrs old ..over 1 million..what percentage are workshy scroungers you and this government make them out to be?.

3 million, 1 million, a vast difference there Mancie. As to your "Work shy Scroungers" comment. I made no such utterance, if you'd care to re-read my quote (post 1420), I remarked as to how there was no distinction of claimants & all had been universally assimilated into the figures.

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Originally Posted by Mancie

My mistake ..almost 1 million under 25yrs old.. a slight gliche on my part but still almost a 3rd of all unemployed.

And why is that then ? Don't trot out the tired excuse that there's no work out there, I would suggest otherwise. There are enough Eastern Europeans & others who have managed to find work & I'm pretty sure they don't see it as their lifes ambition but being realists they've made a conscious choice to grit their teeth & get on with what's available.

The only difference I see is that some people deem these positions below them (even though they've no qualifications or a basic grasp of a working ethic, fostered by successive Governments policies & their expansion of an even larger dependency culture) & aren't prepared to accept something that doesn't suit them or fulfil their wants. That said, there will also be genuine cases of hardship & inability & these people should be helped & encouraged, but sadly, far to many are just not interested in an honest days graft, when they can put their hand out & the money pixie fills their pudgy, soft, sovereign bedecked, Burberry clad mitts.

Margaret Pilkington · 06-04-2012, 13:50

being on benefits should not be more lucrative than working.
It traps people into the benefits culture...they won't come off benefits if they see it as not 'being worth their while'....but it is Ok for the tax payer to fund their lifestyle.

I begrudge the tax taken out of my pension to pay for people to have a better lifestyle than me.
And please don't read into that that I look at what other people have, and want the same.....I don't. I don't care what materialistic things other people have - unless it is my money(taxes) that is paying for it.

Gordon Booth · 06-04-2012, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Mancie

My mistake ..almost 1 million under 25yrs old.. a slight gliche on my part but still almost a 3rd of all unemployed

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

3 million, 1 million, a vast difference there Mancie.

And why is that then ? Don't trot out the tired excuse that there's no work out there, I would suggest otherwise. There are enough Eastern Europeans & others who have managed to find work & I'm pretty sure they don't see it as their lifes ambition but being realists they've made a conscious choice to grit their teeth & get on with what's available.

The only difference I see is that some people deem these positions below them (even though they've no qualifications or a basic grasp of a working ethic, fostered by successive Governments policies & their expansion of an even larger dependency culture) & aren't prepared to accept something that doesn't suit them or fulfil their wants.

It puzzles me how we can have almost 1 million young people who can't find a job but over 1 million Poles and East Europeans can flood in over a very short space of time and walk straight into jobs.
The jobs must have been there in the first place and they must pay enough to be worth doing so why did none of our own people want to take them?
Somebodies got it wrong and I don't think it's the Poles!

cashman · 06-04-2012, 16:19

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

It puzzles me how we can have almost 1 million young people who can't find a job but over 1 million Poles and East Europeans can flood in over a very short space of time and walk straight into jobs.
The jobs must have been there in the first place and they must pay enough to be worth doing so why did none of our own people want to take them?
Somebodies got it wrong and I don't think it's the Poles!

That may be perhaps cos yeh have little idea of whats actually happening in the world Gordon? as my nephew discovered a couple of years ago, when the only job he could attain n it was seasonal at "Fine Arts" were he had been fer 4/5 years was not available cos he was told were now employing poles.

Gordon Booth · 06-04-2012, 16:37

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Originally Posted by cashman

That may be perhaps cos yeh have little idea of whats actually happening in the world Gordon? as my nephew discovered a couple of years ago, when the only job he could attain n it was seasonal at "Fine Arts" were he had been fer 4/5 years was not available cos he was told were now employing poles.

Yes, cashman, I will be out of touch up to a point, I'm retired but I try to keep up to date with what's going on.
Don't get me wrong-I do think it's a tragedy what is happening to young people today- jobs were so plentiful when I was young.
But you have to ask why do Fine Arts prefer to employ Poles to our own youth, even for seasonal work? Probably nothing against your nephew, just a general preference for foreign workers over our own.Why? Something is wrong.

cashman · 06-04-2012, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Yes, cashman, I will be out of touch up to a point, I'm retired but I try to keep up to date with what's going on.
Don't get me wrong-I do think it's a tragedy what is happening to young people today- jobs were so plentiful when I was young.
But you have to ask why do Fine Arts prefer to employ Poles to our own youth, even for seasonal work? Probably nothing against your nephew, just a general preference for foreign workers over our own.Why? Something is wrong.

They can pay em less.

Gordon Booth · 06-04-2012, 16:48

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Originally Posted by cashman

They can pay em less.

We have a minimum wage- it's not much but it's the minimum.
There must be something else! Attitude, work ethic, give away degrees that are useless? Not applying to all our young ones but enough of them to sour employers against them.
Come on, cashman, you know it's not just pay.

cashman · 06-04-2012, 16:50

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

We have a minimum wage- it's not much but it's the minimum.
There must be something else! Attitude, work ethic, give away degrees that are useless? Not applying to all our young ones but enough of them to sour employers against them.
Come on, cashman, you know it's not just pay.

Crap!! they were not on minimum wage before that happened.some people make me puke.

cmonstanley · 06-04-2012, 16:53

what they did in a couple of well known companies in lancashire ,is buy up all the housing ,set up an employment agency in poland ,get them to pay their own way across, employ them, house them and charge them £100 a week with 6 to a house .how do i know ? quite a few polish people told me the same story. so the moral of the story is a wwin win situation for the companies .cheap labour free property and no come back

cashman · 06-04-2012, 16:56

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

what they did in a couple of well known companies in lancashire ,is buy up all the housing ,set up an employment agency in poland ,get them to pay their own way across, employ them, house them and charge them £100 a week with 6 to a house .how do i know ? quite a few polish people told me the same story. so the moral of the story is a wwin win situation for the companies .cheap labour free property and no come back

Seems yer aware of this outrage.

garinda · 06-04-2012, 17:25

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

what they did in a couple of well known companies in lancashire ,is buy up all the housing ,set up an employment agency in poland ,get them to pay their own way across, employ them, house them and charge them £100 a week with 6 to a house .how do i know ? quite a few polish people told me the same story. so the moral of the story is a wwin win situation for the companies .cheap labour free property and no come back

What's the main reason why some unscrupulous employers can take advantage of cheaper eastern European labour?

Because we now have an open borders policy, allowing this to happen.

Thanks to our membership of the European Union/United States of Europe.

That's why.

This won't change whilst we still have people like Graham Jones as our M.P.

Who's ever so kindly took the decision for us, thanks to him voting against us having a referendum, even though he said it would settle the issue 'democratically', that this situation is in our best interest.

Although according to our (current) M.P., 95% of his constituents 'don't give a stuff about Europe'.

Which of course is a load of big, sweaty bolo...gnese.

Though like all those blinded by party loyalty, he's unable to see what's actually happening in reality.