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[cashman]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

We have a minimum wage- it's not much but it's the minimum.
There must be something else! Attitude, work ethic, give away degrees that are useless? Not applying to all our young ones but enough of them to sour employers against them.
Come on, cashman, you know it's not just pay.

That attitude don't help matters at all, Everyones aware there are dollopers that wish to live off the state, but those people are all yeh read about in the sensationalist media, Telling yeh about all the good hardworking kids that are unable to gain employment, well theres no merit in that, sod all sensational about it, just tough titty. Many people remind me off human dustbins, cos they will take any owd crap the media spout out.

[Wrighty]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

what they did in a couple of well known companies in lancashire ,is buy up all the housing ,set up an employment agency in poland ,get them to pay their own way across, employ them, house them and charge them £100 a week with 6 to a house .how do i know ? quite a few polish people told me the same story. so the moral of the story is a wwin win situation for the companies .cheap labour free property and no come back

Tesco have been known to advertise in Eastern Europe

Originally Posted by cashman

Seems yer aware of this outrage.

A lot of people are wise to this now .. but yet the British are labelled lazy .

Originally Posted by garinda

What's the main reason why some unscrupulous employers can take advantage of cheaper eastern European labour?

Because we now have an open borders policy, allowing this to happen.

Thanks to our membership of the European Union/United States of Europe.

That's why.

This won't change whilst we still have people like Graham Jones as our M.P.

Who's ever so kindly took the decision for us, thanks to him voting against us having a referendum, even though he said it would settle the issue 'democratically', that this situation is in our best interest.

Although according to our (current) M.P., 95% of his constituents 'don't give a stuff about Europe'.

Which of course is a load of big, sweaty bolo...gnese.

Though like all those blinded by party loyalty, he's unable to see what's actually happening in reality.

Bang on garinda , we need out of the EU simple as that or the destruction of this country will continue .. England will be broke up into 9 regions I believe , how can that be a good thing ? These people are giving our sovereignty away without asking the public

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Not applying to all our young ones but enough of them to sour employers against them.

Originally Posted by cashman

That attitude don't help matters at all, Everyones aware there are dollopers that wish to live off the state, but those people are all yeh read about in the sensationalist media, Telling yeh about all the good hardworking kids that are unable to gain employment, well theres no merit in that, sod all sensational about it, just tough titty. Many people remind me off human dustbins, cos they will take any owd crap the media spout out.

I hope you don't come across too many 'human dustbins' who make you 'puke', you'll be losing weight!


I don't go into factories now but how come so many of the pubs,bars, restaurants,cafes we go in have some foreign staff, usually Eastern European? They can't all be black economy jobs paying slaves wages-the big chains all have them! Why are they preferring to employ foreigners when(as you say and I agree) we have lots of good hardworking kids wanting these jobs?

[cmonstanley]

thats where your wrong big companies usually use franchises and dont care about who they employ as long as they get the profit

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by jaysay

No it shouldn't be allowed to carry on but neither should it be withdrawn its a poor state of affairs when people are jumping through hoops doing hands stands a cheering when people lose their jobs, most of which was caused by their useless mates in the first place, just so they can gloat, now that really is the pits

Hang on ..when this government annouced in Parliment the 500,000 public sector job cuts the only people cheering were the Tory backbenchers.. now that really is the pits.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

...and dont care about who they employ as long as they get the profit

Sounds like a lot of people don't care where, or who, their big wads of wonga come from.


Ed Miliband entertained a controversial City tycoon and Labour donor in his private office, just a month after a speech condemning capitalist “predators”.

Ed Miliband entertained tycoon Labour donors in his own home - Telegraph

[Wrighty]

Originally Posted by garinda

Sounds like a lot of people don't care where, or who, their big wads of wonga come from.


Ed Miliband entertained a controversial City tycoon and Labour donor in his private office, just a month after a speech condemning capitalist “predators”.

Ed Miliband entertained tycoon Labour donors in his own home - Telegraph

Nothing to see here .. move along please

[cmonstanley]

Son of a stockbroker Prime Minister David Cameron pulled off one of his most spectacular sleights-of-hand on Wednesday when he used his vague Big Society idea to get his City mates involved.

Under the guise of giving a helping hand to charities and social enterprises he launched a £600 million fund claiming the City was going to help tackle our deepest social problems.

But two-thirds of the money - £400m - comes from unclaimed cash from bank accounts dormant for more than 15 years and the rest comes from Barclays, HSBC and state-backed banks Lloyds and RBS - forcing the taxpayers to fork out.

The amount of money that will apparently be available as investments must also be put in the context of billions which the government has stopped giving to charities.

The new fund, called Big Society Capital, will "invest in organisations that provide affordable finance to social projects, which will then repay the money from the income they generate."

Mr Cameron said: "Just as finance from the City has been essential to help businesses grow and take on the world, so finance from the City is going to be essential to helping tackle our deepest social problems."

The money made from these investments will be reinvested in new projects in turn, apparently generating new cash.

But it was confirmed that the banks also have a right to any "surplus."

Chairman of the new institution is venture capital pioneer Sir Ronald Cohen,

Many observers have called the Big Society idea just a smokescreen for the massive cuts which the government has swung into action.

The latest move follows a blow when a county council's decision that 10 libraries should be run by volunteers was ruled procedurally flawed and unlawful.

Surrey County Council had "failed to have due regard to equality issues," a High Court judge said.

Mr Cohen admitted last year the fund would not be able to replace government funding.

No-one was available to answer the question: "Why is this fund needed rather than the government directly giving money?"

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by garinda

Sounds like a lot of people don't care where, or who, their big wads of wonga come from.


Ed Miliband entertained a controversial City tycoon and Labour donor in his private office, just a month after a speech condemning capitalist “predators”.

Ed Miliband entertained tycoon Labour donors in his own home - Telegraph

hes a bad smell that wont go away.this is one of the reasons why i think the public purse should pay for political parties and be capped.this isnt just big business this is dodgy business.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

hes a bad smell that wont go away.

There's only a bad smell because Labour's movers and shakers have had their noses shoved so far up his arse, and people like him, in the hope they'll get their hands on some of his millions, in the form of donations to party coffers.

[cmonstanley]

at least they gave the workers rights .this is scary what else are they sneaking through tory scum more to help companies create a "pro-employment landscape" as a change to employment law comes into force.
From today, employees have to work for two years rather than one before they are protected from unfair dismissal.
But the CBI said this change in the law was "the only concrete step" ministers had taken to encourage job creation.
The government said it was "cutting red tape", getting cheaper business loans and boosting investment.
"Some of the key actions we've taken to encourage job creation include introducing measures to get cheaper loans to businesses, as well as boosting investment and creating the most competitive business tax system in the developed world," said a Department for Business spokesperson.
"Of 250 economic reforms announced in 2011, 98% have either been completed or have made good progress."
More changes needed?
On Tuesday, the TUC warned that extending the qualifying period for unfair dismissal from one year to two years could affect 2.7 million people.
The trade union organisation said the change in the law could increase job insecurity and lead to a "hire-and-fire" culture.
But the CBI said the change would give employers confidence to take on more staff.
However Neil Bentley, the CBI's deputy director general, said: "As we approach the halfway point in this Parliament, we've heard plenty of talk, but seen little action.
"Employers want to see the government doing more to create a pro-employment landscape."
John Longworth, director general of the British Chambers of Commerce (BCC), said: "Doubling the qualifying period for unfair dismissal to two years sends the right message to business.
"Although this is a good start, more changes are needed if the government is to create a really hard-hitting deregulatory package for the labour market.
"This includes reforming redundancy rules, introducing a no-fault dismissal route and following through on fees for tribunal claimants."
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[Guinness]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Yes, cashman, I will be out of touch up to a point, I'm retired but I try to keep up to date with what's going on.
Don't get me wrong-I do think it's a tragedy what is happening to young people today- jobs were so plentiful when I was young.
But you have to ask why do Fine Arts prefer to employ Poles to our own youth, even for seasonal work? Probably nothing against your nephew, just a general preference for foreign workers over our own.Why? Something is wrong.

Answer to that is simple but long winded...Fine Arts are a crap company, with crap working conditions, don't give a stuff about their workers, have no long term future workforce plan, have no career paths, offer no training, offer no qualification progression, pay crap wages, hire and fire at will under the guise of 'seasonal working' (which incidentally is also crap because they produce items for every season)

Considering that the rate of pay is around 3 times the amount they'd get back home, they are transients, they don't care about future prospects or working conditions and aren't always aware of UK employment law, they are ultimately the easier option for employment.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

I hope you don't come across too many 'human dustbins' who make you 'puke', you'll be losing weight! My weight has always been constant.


Why are they preferring to employ foreigners when(as you say and I agree) we have lots of good hardworking kids wanting these jobs?

Think the truth may be,yeh don't really want to know Gordon?

[Wrighty]

Originally Posted by cashman

Think the truth may be,yeh don't really want to know Gordon?

Like most people I would say

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by garinda

The biggest increase in U.K. unemployment, happened between 2007 and 2009.

When we had a Labour government.

Here's a pretty little graph for you to look at, which clearly illustrates this.

Well, it does to those not wearing blinkers.

BBC News - Unemployment in graphics

Were you on the sewing machine when you posted this or reading it upside down? the pretty graph shows the lowest rate of unemployment was '07 to '08.. the biggest increase is 2011 to the present..