the tories cant blame labour now

[cmonstanley]

read the lib dem quote lol BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Brown belatedly signs EU treaty

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

read the lib dem quote lol BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Brown belatedly signs EU treaty

And your point

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

read the lib dem quote lol BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Brown belatedly signs EU treaty

The Liberal Democrats said Mr Brown's absence raised "serious questions". Lib Dem leadership contender and ex-MEP Chris Huhne criticised "inept and peevish behaviour that leaves Gordon Brown's reputation for honest dealing with our EU partners hanging by a thread".

The LibDems only said what everyone in UK already knew - the Sword of Damocles was about to fall.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by jaysay

And lets not forget that when Brown signed the Lisbon treaty without the promised referendum, it cancelled the Maastricht treaty

The Lisbon treaty is the same as Maastricht.. the only difference is that the treaty was confirmed as the EU constitution in Lisbon.. but Labour were wrong to dodge a referendum.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

dont make me laugh overspending, trying to put right what thatcher and major destroyed and poverty they created. tories squandered money with selling off the family jewells labour spent money investing in britain and the person who has cost britain was john major who signed the maastrich agreement im still laughing you actually believe the murdoch press without investigating the facts.

Don't make you laugh? Well.. Sorry if you find overspending and waste funny. Frankly I don't think it's at all funny that the Government are forced to reduce spending to pay for all the wasteful debt that the last Government racked up. Each to his own.

[cmonstanley]

i would be surprised if the tories spend less they will only fiddle the figures,i mean the net spending like paying and bailing out of outside providers they are going to use

[cmonstanley]

heres some more of the truth

[DaveinGermany]

This alleged "Truth" ? Where exactly ? Or is it secret, in fact so secret we can't even see it ?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

This alleged "Truth" ? Where exactly ? Or is it secret, in fact so secret we can't even see it ?

You have to make exceptions for our friend from the other side of Hadrian's Wall, he' a Rangers supporter

[Eric]

What's all this I'm reading in the British media about what is happening to the NHS? How the British system is set to become more like that ill-functioning and costly bs they have south of our border? And what are all the students po'd at? Is this part of the legacy of Labour mis-government? And Clegg, where the hell is his head at? This could be the end of the Lib-Dems and the beginning of a permanent and bitter polarization of British politics.

I don't think that either of these two messes can be blamed on Labour. Unless one considers it a "mess" to provide health care to all citizens regardless of their ability to pay for it up front, and to give the opportunity for post secondary education to all who qualify, not just to the gin and Jaguar crowd. The EU, I don't know about, or really care; it seems to me, at a distance, such an obviously stupid idea, that I'm surprised it ever got as far as it has.

The tories seem to be blaming Labour for the harshness of their policies; but the dismantling of the NHS and the elitizisation (I made that word up) of post-secondary education would have happened anyway under a tory govt. It's ideology, not economics.

[DaveinGermany]

We have "Friends" on the other side ? But we're the wicked English ! Responsible for all ills that befall the Jockeens, even ingrowing toenails & piles ! Or so they'd have the World believe, only problem I've got with that is .... well they've been left to their own devices since 1997...... now just a mo ! Wasn't there something else happened about the same time ?

Bingo ! The Labour party came to power, that's it ! Make of that what you will, me I'm just putting across some facts, no agenda here.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by jaysay

You have to make exceptions for our friend from the other side of Hadrian's Wall, he' a Rangers supporter

If that is true then why doesn't he ****** off with the fat Scots Git Salmond, who wants to be cut adrift from UK until we decide to close Lossiemouth & Kinloss - I have been to both places and also the Western Isles - the Scots are welcome to everywhere north of Hadrian's Wall

[cmonstanley]

never voted snp in my life alex salmond is a numpty and bows down to his own agenda which is his ego dont be so judgemental on all scots.as ive said before most scots want to stay in the union as it has been benificial to both countries and to close down kinloss and lossiemouth is a strategic disaster.

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by Eric

What's all this I'm reading in the British media about what is happening to the NHS? How the British system is set to become more like that ill-functioning and costly bs they have south of our border? And what are all the students po'd at? Is this part of the legacy of Labour mis-government? And Clegg, where the hell is his head at? This could be the end of the Lib-Dems and the beginning of a permanent and bitter polarization of British politics.

I don't think that either of these two messes can be blamed on Labour. Unless one considers it a "mess" to provide health care to all citizens regardless of their ability to pay for it up front, and to give the opportunity for post secondary education to all who qualify, not just to the gin and Jaguar crowd. The EU, I don't know about, or really care; it seems to me, at a distance, such an obviously stupid idea, that I'm surprised it ever got as far as it has.

The tories seem to be blaming Labour for the harshness of their policies; but the dismantling of the NHS and the elitizisation (I made that word up) of post-secondary education would have happened anyway under a tory govt. It's ideology, not economics.

agreed

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

and to close down kinloss and lossiemouth is a strategic disaster.

Strategic ? Hardly ! The Cold war is over & that was the main purpose of these locations to intercept Russian/Eastern Bloc aircraft (ask Barrie). Economic on the other hand I'd give you that as a valid comment. But even under your chosen party the cuts still would've happened, as the SDR was inevitable, due to funds having to be found to cover the expensive costs of the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan, in one case the aftermath & in another the continuing cost.

Need I remind you at whose behest the "British Military" went off to fight another foreign war ? Well it couldn't have come from anywhere else (the money) as Labour wouldn't want to upset their voters by removing payments & benefits now would they ? They needed to hold back funds to buy support.