The value of public funded art

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Gayle, I really admire the way you keep responding to all these negative posts, it must be a little depressing to get so little support. However don't you think perhaps these projects are ASKING for these responses or do you perhaps feel they do not represent the general opinions of the people of Hyndburn?
By the way, can you tell us what Hyndburns contribution to the London 'Cultural Olympics' will be?

To a point I agree.

She's doing a sterling job.

It's not easy, defending the indefensible.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by garinda

I'm yet to hear any positive feedback, regarding these state funded community art projects.

Garinda, the problem with a lot of people in the 'Arts'(and a lot of teachers I found) is that their connection with the real world is a little tenuous. They live in a parallel universe and feel they have a sacred duty to show us ordinary mortals the 'way'.
Has Hyndburn ever been asked what art it wants? I think the first requirement would be FREE.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Garinda, the problem with a lot of people in the 'Arts'(and a lot of teachers I found) is that their connection with the real world is a little tenuous.

Remembering your background, Garinda, I MUST OF COURSE say you appear to be the exception that proves the rule.

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by garinda

My maths aren't 'a bit off'.

Check again.

I was referring to the normal fees she charges, as quoted on her website.

To earn a thousand quid, at her normal rate, without the generous intervention of a local government subsidy form Hyndburn B.C., she'd have to teach 333 people, at £3.00 per half hour class, to earn the equivalent amount of £1,000.00.

Your maths assume that each person is only getting one half-hour long lesson.

However

She is teaching 200 people - divided into 6 groups. Each of those six groups is getting six hour long lessons.
@ £3 per half hour (so £6 per hour)

200 people x 6 lessons each x £6 per lesson = £7,200

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Remembering your background, Garinda, I MUST OF COURSE say you appear to be the exception that proves the rule.

I, like Acrylic-bob, love art, and both studied it, as an academic subject to degree level.

As well as an art lover, I'm also a realist when it comes to the economic harshness of the world, beyond the confines of the ivory towers of academia.

If no one wants to buy what you're producing, don't rely on the tax payer to fund your ambitions.

I will not be changing my mind on the value for money, or artistic merit, that artifically subsidised, state funded, art projects produce.

[jaysay]

Well I've trawled through this thread and the consensus is where the money comes from, well looking at it logical, irrespective of whether its from HBC, LCC, HMG, EU or even the bloody tooth fair, it originates from our pockets, councils and governments don't have money, they just look after it for the people

[Margaret Pilkington]

And from my point of view John, they aren't doing such a crash hot job of it.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Gayle

Your maths assume that each person is only getting one half-hour long lesson.

However

She is teaching 200 people - divided into 6 groups. Each of those six groups is getting six hour long lessons.
@ £3 per half hour (so £6 per hour)

200 people x 6 lessons each x £6 per lesson = £7,200

I'm assuming nothing.

I'm going by the normal fees she quotes on her own website.

Ordinarily, she'd teach 333 people, at £3.00 per half hour, as priced on her website, to earn £1,000.00, (actually it's £999.00).

It ain't rocket science.

It's very straightforward.

If you're trying to suggest her £1,000.00 fee is a bargain, you're barking...up the wrong tree.

So we, the public, can try and evaluate the worth of the project, are you saying that the costs involved for the whole flash mob dance is £1,000.00?

Absolutely no other funding costs?

If not, would we be allowed to know what the costs are, so we can better decide the events worth and value?

Please could the figures be kept in the public domain, since it's a public forum, even though I appreciate the answers sent privately to me?

It's of interest to us all, not just myself.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

And from my point of view John, they aren't doing such a crash hot job of it.

As far as the arts are concerned they never have or ever will in my eyes Margaret

[garinda]

Since all publicity is good publicity, apparently, I'll waive my normal fee, for my help in promoting the event.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Gayle

Your maths assume that each person is only getting one half-hour long lesson.

However

She is teaching 200 people - divided into 6 groups. Each of those six groups is getting six hour long lessons.
@ £3 per half hour (so £6 per hour)

200 people x 6 lessons each x £6 per lesson = £7,200

Besides how she'd ordinarily have to earn £1,000.00, since we now know how many dancers she's taught the flash mob dance to, where did the recruit of the 200 take place, and where were they taught? Did her fee cover all the costs involved, studio space etc?

I don't remember seeing the lessons being advertised, virally or not.

Perhaps I just missed it, as I also missed seeing the role of creative director of arts in Hyndburn, ever being advertised, as is the norm.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Since all publicity is good publicity, apparently, I'll waive my normal fee, for my help in promoting the event.

Can I have those cream cakes then

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Can I have those cream cakes then

Do you know something we don't?

Is that the next community arts project?

Living off the Cream.

Have you any dates, or more information for us?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Do you know something we don't?

Is that the next community arts project?

Living off the Cream.

Have you any dates, or more information for us?

Thought cream cakes were your fee

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Thought cream cakes were your fee

Cakes are for selling.

Unsold bread and jam is for eating, when you're Master Bun the baker's son.

As for fees, I worked for money, that people thought I was worth.