The value of public funded art - Page 22

Less · 30-10-2010, 21:30

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Originally Posted by katex

And I'm off to eat and watch a scary movie ...which will be negated after this thread.. LOL.

In the meantime, have thoughts on how you would tempt people into the centre. Only fair ...at least A-B did try.

If you weren't so fixated in defending your mate in this thread you would have seen that I have started another thread in which I have offered my services in a scheme that would be just as useless as anything proposed as 'art', the only difference is, mine will cost the people of Hyndburn nothing in funds and will be slightly less embarrassing than someone swimming the length of Broadway.

Please do check the site before you make such sweeping remarks!

lancsdave · 30-10-2010, 21:36

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Originally Posted by katex

In the meantime, have thoughts on how you would tempt people into the centre.

I'm sure it's been answered loads of times. Make it more attractive for people to occupy the shops, also making sure it isn't just filled with certain types of shops. Whover gave planning permission for the upsurge in bookies in the centre needs shooting to start with.

Secondary option, stop Transdev running the X41 to Manchester

katex · 30-10-2010, 22:15

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

While some dancing is an art......Ballet, cultural(as in Hungarian, Russian, or Balinese)...but 'Flashmob'...don't think it quite makes it...well not for me anyway.

And while these events don't have to be linked to our heritage, wouldn't it be much better if they were? opinion, you understand.

Of course . would be lovely if it were all connected to our Heritage .. no one is denying this .. but not what this thread is all about really.

Have you any idea how much technique is involved in becoming a modern dancer ... even a good Flash Mob dancer.

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I don't mind buskers...they are individual. Like the chap who plays foot tapping music in the centre of Manchester........I like the pavement artists....again can be seen in Manchester...their skill is amazing.
None of this is contrived, and it costs what the passer by is willing to give

Yes, but Manchester is a cash rich city, and they are not daft ... know any donations will be ample .. try persuading them to beg in Accrington.

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Originally Posted by Less

If you weren't so fixated in defending your mate in this thread you would have seen that I have started another thread in which I have offered my services in a scheme that would be just as useless as anything proposed as 'art', the only difference is, mine will cost the people of Hyndburn nothing in funds and will be slightly less embarrassing than someone swimming the length of Broadway.

Please do check the site before you make such sweeping remarks!

Again, please don't put any spin on by describing Gayle as 'my mate' ... we are friendly, yes, but not close friends, and would not defend any close friends anyway if I did not agree with them.

Yes, have looked at your post ... trying to make sense of it.

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

I'm sure it's been answered loads of times. Make it more attractive for people to occupy the shops, also making sure it isn't just filled with certain types of shops. Whover gave planning permission for the upsurge in bookies in the centre needs shooting to start with.

Secondary option, stop Transdev running the X41 to Manchester

Interesting Dave .. more attractive .. what do you suggest then ?

Bookies .. well, is a fact that more people are gambling due to recession .. can't blame them for jumping on the band wagon, and HBC renting out one of their shops rather than empty.

cashman · 30-10-2010, 22:19

its not rocket science yeh have more chance of attracting decent shops with less extortionate rents, thats a starting point.

Less · 30-10-2010, 22:25

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Originally Posted by katex

Yes, have looked at your post ... trying to make sense of it.

Of course you are dear, it is in an art form beyond your comprehension, perhaps you should have paid attention at infant school then not only would you have put the coloured dots onto the paper you would have learnt the rich tapestry of all that is abstract.

The trick is not to look too deeply, like an organised impromptu dance it means nothing.

katex · 30-10-2010, 22:27

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Originally Posted by cashman

its not rocket science yeh have more chance of attracting decent shops with less extortionate rents, thats a starting point.

Mmmm . not so sure Cashy. Sure our rents to the big high street shops are just a drop in The Ocean.

katex · 30-10-2010, 22:31

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Originally Posted by Less

Of course you are dear, it is in an art form beyond your comprehension, perhaps you should have paid attention at infant school then not only would you have put the coloured dots onto the paper you would have learnt the rich tapestry of all that is abstract.

The trick is not to look too deeply, like an organised impromptu dance it means nothing.

The dance is not impromptu ... please keep up.

Will ignore your personal insult as usual ...

cashman · 30-10-2010, 22:32

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Originally Posted by katex

Mmmm . not so sure Cashy. Sure our rents to the big high street shops are just a drop in The Ocean.

i'm sure unless the traders i know are telling porkies.

garinda · 30-10-2010, 22:32

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Originally Posted by cashman

its not rocket science yeh have more chance of attracting decent shops with less extortionate rents, thats a starting point.

Which brings us neatly back to the Market Hall, and the Liberating Empty Terrain project.

Which until very recently wasn't empty at all, pre-refurbishment.

It was space taken up by people actually flogging stuff for a living. To people prepared to fork for whatever it was they were selling.

The empty space was liberated, and filled by a person paid to make wooly caterpillars.

We are told this is 'community art'.

Give me a white flag.

Let's all surrender.

We've been liberated.

lancsdave · 30-10-2010, 22:34

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Originally Posted by katex

Interesting Dave .. more attractive .. what do you suggest then ?

Bookies .. well, is a fact that more people are gambling due to recession .. can't blame them for jumping on the band wagon, and HBC renting out one of their shops rather than empty.

Attractive = lower rents & rates

I don't think HBC own any of the shops in Broadway or Union St/ Arndale Centre but they can stop change of use. It also means they don't dictate the rents but I'm sure they could put pressure on the landlords of the properties to do something.

Less · 30-10-2010, 22:41

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Originally Posted by katex

The dance is not impromptu ... please keep up.

Will ignore your personal insult as usual ...

The idea is supposed to be.

and as mentioned by a previous poster, for the sake of anonymity, we'll call him rindy, it is something like 10 years out of date,(do keep up).

Please don't ignore any insult from me personal or otherwise, how else can I claim that my existence has a meaning if not to bring you down a peg or twelve?
If I didn't you would become completely unbearable!

cashman · 30-10-2010, 22:41

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

Attractive = lower rents & rates

I don't think HBC own any of the shops in Broadway or Union St/ Arndale Centre but they can stop change of use. It also means they don't dictate the rents but I'm sure they could put pressure on the landlords of the properties to do something.

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Originally Posted by katex

Mmmm . not so sure Cashy. Sure our rents to the big high street shops are just a drop in The Ocean.

they could never do that, would spoil kates blinkers.

lancsdave · 30-10-2010, 22:41

I forgot to say also that unless the demographics of the town are changed then any attempts to 'improve' the twon centre's attraction will be a complete waste of time and money. Nobody is going to rush to come here while the centre is full of lets say, more than it's fair share of undesirables roaming around in a very confined space.

cashman · 30-10-2010, 22:47

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

I forgot to say also that unless the demographics of the town are changed then any attempts to 'improve' the twon centre's attraction will be a complete waste of time and money. Nobody is going to rush to come here while the centre is full of lets say, more than it's fair share of undesirables roaming around in a very confined space.

more still when Flashmob comes to town.

garinda · 30-10-2010, 22:52

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Originally Posted by katex

The dance is not impromptu ... please keep up.

It is, or is supposed to be. That is the all point.

Someone posts a video on a website, with information to descend en masse, at so and so place, on such a day. They are informed that at exactly whatever time, they all do the pre-arranged act, then vanish again, back into the nowhere land.

It was supposedly an act of people power, and as such could be described as a happening, and concievably art.

That's when it was new, and modern, and cost nothing. Ten years ago.

Before it became a bit passe, and used to flog phones, and now that you have to spend a grand, to get someone in, to make it happen.

It certainly didn't need...

'much technique is involved in becoming a modern dancer ... even a good Flash Mob dancer.'

Even those at the scene, who were unaware what was happening, joined in, and did as others around them did.