The value of public funded art - Page 25

Margaret Pilkington · 31-10-2010, 10:00

[quote=katex;856946]Of course . would be lovely if it were all connected to our Heritage .. no one is denying this .. but not what this thread is all about really.

Have you any idea how much technique is involved in becoming a modern dancer ... even a good Flash Mob dancer.

Yes, but Manchester is a cash rich city, and they are not daft ... know any donations will be ample .. try persuading them to beg in Accrington.

Kate, there may be lots of technique in this kind of dance, but it doesn't have the same cultural kudos(I was looking for another word here, but I am having a 'grey moment') as the other forms of dance I mentioned.(gravitas, was the word I was looking for)
And while Heritage maybe isn't what the thread is about, perhaps if it was more linked to our area heritage it would have more people coming to see it........just a thought, you understand....after all, I am a bit like DaveinGermany...a bit of a cultural pygmy.
That said, I do know what I like.....it has to be easy on the ears and pleasant to look at.

As for the buskers in Manchester......well, I don't think that you can equate them with beggars.......don't they have to have a licence......so what they actually are, is performers....being paid by the general public who find their work pleasing....no-one grabs you by your purse and makes you pay....you only do that if you like what they do....and many folk do.

You asked for alternatives...I gave you some.

I also agree with other posters who feel that the rent and rates should be a little more economical...this would perhaps bring in some individual shops.
These days where-ever you go all the town centres have the same shops....selling pretty much the same stuff.......so to go somewhere that has smaller more interesting/specialist shops could work.

Check out Hebden Bridge....it has a plethora of interesting shops.

Margaret Pilkington · 31-10-2010, 10:07

I am probably a cynic too, except I prefer to call it realism.

Bernard Dawson · 31-10-2010, 10:23

[quote=Margaret Pilkington;857053]

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Originally Posted by katex

Of course . would be lovely if it were all connected to our Heritage .. no one is denying this .. but not what this thread is all about really.

Have you any idea how much technique is involved in becoming a modern dancer ... even a good Flash Mob dancer.

Yes, but Manchester is a cash rich city, and they are not daft ... know any donations will be ample .. try persuading them to beg in Accrington.

Kate, there may be lots of technique in this kind of dance, but it doesn't have the same cultural kudos(I was looking for another word here, but I am having a 'grey moment') as the other forms of dance I mentioned.(gravitas, was the word I was looking for)
And while Heritage maybe isn't what the thread is about, perhaps if it was more linked to our area heritage it would have more people coming to see it........just a thought, you understand....after all, I am a bit like DaveinGermany...a bit of a cultural pygmy.
That said, I do know what I like.....it has to be easy on the ears and pleasant to look at.

As for the buskers in Manchester......well, I don't think that you can equate them with beggars.......don't they have to have a licence......so what they actually are, is performers....being paid by the general public who find their work pleasing....no-one grabs you by your purse and makes you pay....you only do that if you like what they do....and many folk do.

You asked for alternatives...I gave you some.

I also agree with other posters who feel that the rent and rates should be a little more economical...this would perhaps bring in some individual shops.
These days where-ever you go all the town centres have the same shops....selling pretty much the same stuff.......so to go somewhere that has smaller more interesting/specialist shops could work.

Check out Hebden Bridge....it has a plethora of interesting shops.

Hebden Bridge is good example Margaret, of what can be achieved. I'm not sure we can reproduce it here.But that sort of niche market idea is something worth exploring in my opinion.

jaysay · 31-10-2010, 10:51

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Hebden Bridge is good example Margaret, of what can be achieved. I'm not sure we can reproduce it here.But that sort of niche market idea is something worth exploring in my opinion.

Maybe if between 1986 and 1999 if the money from the assets which were sold had have been spent on the Town centre instead of Nigel Rixes "Love Child" The Globe Centre, then maybe things would have been different.

Margaret Pilkington · 31-10-2010, 10:58

[quote=Bernard Dawson;857065]

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Hebden Bridge is good example Margaret, of what can be achieved. I'm not sure we can reproduce it here.But that sort of niche market idea is something worth exploring in my opinion.

If it can be done in Hebden Bridge, then why can't it be done in Accrington?
Maybe it would be worth doing some kind of fact finding mission.......asking questions, such as...what are their pricing strategies for small businesses? What relief(if any) do they get for starting a small new business? How is this relief funded?

As soon as you say it can't be done, it closes the door to any imaginative and innovative ways of making sure that it does happen.

It would certainly bring folk in from surrounding towns...those, who like me, are fed up of seeing the same retail giants taking over the town centres all over the country.

cashman · 31-10-2010, 11:04

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I am probably a cynic too, except I prefer to call it realism.

seems everyones a cynic,that don't agree wi a particular line of thought.

Bernard Dawson · 31-10-2010, 11:04

[quote=jaysay;857073]

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

Maybe if between 1986 and 1999 if the money from the assets which were sold had have been spent on the Town centre instead of Nigel Rixes "Love Child" The Globe Centre, then maybe things would have been different.

You've got your dates slightly wrong. Nigel wasn't working for the authority when we did most of the work on the Globe. By the time Nigel joined the authority the Globe was well up and running.

lancsdave · 31-10-2010, 11:12

[quote=Margaret Pilkington;857075]

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

If it can be done in Hebden Bridge, then why can't it be done in Accrington?
Maybe it would be worth doing some kind of fact finding mission.......asking questions, such as...what are their pricing strategies for small businesses? What relief(if any) do they get for starting a small new business? How is this relief funded?

As soon as you say it can't be done, it closes the door to any imaginative and innovative ways of making sure that it does happen.

It would certainly bring folk in from surrounding towns...those, who like me, are fed up of seeing the same retail giants taking over the town centres all over the country.

I tried to type something like this last night but couldn't get my words right so I scrapped it

We can't compete with the bigger towns and cities in terms of footfall for big retail giants, lets be different, after all smaller independent retailers don't need the same massive footfall to pay thier shareholders. They just need a system which gives them chance to operate

jaysay · 31-10-2010, 11:14

[quote=Bernard Dawson;857079]

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Originally Posted by jaysay

You've got your dates slightly wrong. Nigel wasn't working for the authority when we did most of the work on the Globe. By the time Nigel joined the authority the Globe was well up and running.

Well he certainly became obsessed with it most of the time he was there and the assets WERE sold of while he was in charge, money from which could have been spent on an already ailing town centre

jaysay · 31-10-2010, 11:16

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

Well he certainly became obsessed with it most of the time he was there and the assets WERE sold of while he was in charge, money from which could have been spent on an already ailing town centre

what the hells going wrong with the quoting system

that was my quote not Bernards

Bernard Dawson · 31-10-2010, 11:19

[quote=Margaret Pilkington;857075]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

If it can be done in Hebden Bridge, then why can't it be done in Accrington?
Maybe it would be worth doing some kind of fact finding mission.......asking questions, such as...what are their pricing strategies for small businesses? What relief(if any) do they get for starting a small new business? How is this relief funded?

As soon as you say it can't be done, it closes the door to any imaginative and innovative ways of making sure that it does happen.

It would certainly bring folk in from surrounding towns...those, who like me, are fed up of seeing the same retail giants taking over the town centres all over the country.

I think youre right Margaret I've suggested fact finding missions to other towns before. Let's try and learn from what other towns are doing.

garinda · 31-10-2010, 12:26

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Originally Posted by jaysay

what the hells going wrong with the quoting system

that was my quote not Bernards

You're taking part in a community art projest.

The Great Misquote Community Chain Parade.

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garinda · 31-10-2010, 12:27

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Originally Posted by garinda

You're taking part in a community art projest.

The Great Misquote Community Chain Parade.

.

Cynically, I'm not taking part, as I'm unsure as to it's value.

Ken Moss · 31-10-2010, 12:34

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

I think youre right Margaret I've suggested fact finding missions to other towns before. Let's try and learn from what other towns are doing.

Jeez Bernard, go easy.

Giving Peter ideas like that is tantamount to giving the green light for an exclusive Cabinet 'fact finding mission' to somewhere like Monaco or St Tropez.

garinda · 31-10-2010, 12:40

In her defence, Gayle has mentioned on here how we could look to the sucess of Hebden Bridge...years ago.

I remember because I unearthed the information that it has the highest density of lesbians, outside of London.