The value of public funded art

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Less

If Gayle isn't to darken the site again, don't worry about the stick she has taken, she put herself up for this, and has had plenty of free publicity.

"Hyndburn Enterprise Trust helped me immensely.
Whilst I would have to say that the grant money is nice...

'Mediatricks helps young, small to medium sized businesses promote their company in unique and economical ways.'

'...we can help you promote your products or services to your target markets.'

'Google Page Ranking stands for Public Relations. Effective Google Page Ranking aims to strengthen, maintain and shape a company's position within its markets and secure its reputation in the community as a whole.'

'My business is marketing and publicity, but one area that I was lacking knowledge was financially'

Hyndburn Enterprise Trust - Means Better Business

If all publicity is good publicity, she'll probably pop back soon to thank those who've helped in publicising the events showcased by the companies and professionals involved, who've benefited from public funding, and who have exhibited such creative and diverse community arts for us here in Hyndburn.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

'Google Page Ranking stands for Public Relations. Effective Google Page Ranking aims to strengthen, maintain and shape a company's position within its markets and secure its reputation in the community as a whole.'

'The Sunday Times article states the Government has “expressed surprise at the sums paid” and Ed Vaizey the Culture Minister is quoted as saying:
“There really must be full transparency for all publicly funded arts bodies”.

'There is also a statement from the Arts Council expressing a similar, though more limited, sentiment:
“Anybody in receipt of significant public money should be transparent about their core funding costs”.
mySociety Blog Archive Minister Demands Full Transparency for all Publicly Funded Arts Bodies

In the interest of good Google Page Ranking, as well as this new climate of openess and transparency, I just wish someone, anyone, would inform the people funding it, just what those funding costs are for the forthcoming Victorian Swiming Gala, then we can finally assess the true value of publicly funded art.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by garinda

In the interest of good Google Page Ranking, as well as this new climate of openess and transparency, I just wish someone, anyone, would inform the people funding it, just what those funding costs are for the forthcoming Victorian Swiming Gala, then we can finally assess the true value of publicly funded art.

I don't see what the issue is. Gayle has stated she will tell you when the event is over as she does not want the event to be judged on cost alone as happened with the other one.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Neil

I don't see what the issue is. Gayle has stated she will tell you when the event is over as she does not want the event to be judged on cost alone as happened with the other one.

It wasn't 'one'.

We were informed of the costs of all the other events, including the costs of the flash mob, which had yet to happen. Which makes people wonder why this event is different from the rest.

The fact that the cost of the flash mob was stated as one thousand pounds, that being the fee paid to the dance teacher, when infact it was £1,160.00, is neither here nor there.
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The 'issue is' we are supposdly, according to the government's Minister of Culture, living in a time when all publicly funded art projects should be open, and transparent about their funding.

It shouldn't be a game of peek-a-boo.

Some you see. Some you don't.

If it is, it leaves people wondering why the costs of some art events are being kept hidden, until after they've happened, and when the professional artists have banked their fees, and safely headed back over the Pennines to Yorkshire.

As for 'judging'. It seems a little odd that someone starts a thread, asking people to judge the value of publcly funded art, if they aren't to be given all the relevant information as to make that possible.

Whether those involved decide it would be wise to release the cost of funding this event now, is up to them.

It will become public knowledge.

That could be before the Victorian Swimming Gala has happened.

Doesn't sound like particularly good Google Page Ranking, not to be honest and open about it, at this present time.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Neil

I don't see what the issue is. Gayle has stated she will tell you when the event is over as she does not want the event to be judged on cost alone as happened with the other one.

Is some art so special, that it's 'priceless'?

Unlike the flash mob apparently, and unlike anything else in the real world of commerce?

You don't go into an estate agents, wanting to buy a house, and they take your money, but without actually telling you how much the house is valued at, or how much they've taken, and thus allowing you the right to decide if it is worth what was paid.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Neil

I don't see what the issue is.

That's probably due to your postition of privilege. As you've posted you've already been informed of the funding costs for the Victorian Swimmin Gala. Unlike all the other tax payers in Hyndburn who are helping to fund it.

Therefore you are able to evaluate the value of public funded art, and thus making it harder to 'see the issue', unlike everyone else.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by garinda

You don't go into an estate agents, wanting to buy a house, and they take your money, but without actually telling you how much the house is valued at, or how much they've taken, and thus allowing you the right to decide if it is worth what was paid.

And you don't rip the house to pieces without viewing it based on the cost alone.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Neil

And you don't rip the house to pieces without viewing it based on the cost alone.

Er...in the real world, I think you'll find that people do that every single day.

'Three hundred grand?'

'For that tumble down shack!'

'Are they having a laugh?'

'No one in their right mind will pay that for it!'

[garinda]

Like I say.

There is an art to defending the indefensible.

Though I've yet to meet anyone with that much valued skill.

[Tealeaf]

Originally Posted by garinda

It wasn't 'one'.

We were informed of the costs of all the other events, including the costs of the flash mob, which had yet to happen. Which makes people wonder why this event is different from the rest.

The fact that the cost of the flash mob was stated as one thousand pounds, that being the fee paid to the dance teacher, when infact it was £1,160.00, is neither here nor there.
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That could be before the Victorian Swimming Gala has happened.

Doesn't sound like particularly good Google Page Ranking, not to be honest and open about it, at this present time.

Whats all this nonsense about Flash Mobs costing a grand? Where has that figure come from? We get flash mob events practically every week here in London and the most they cost is that of an text message sent inviting someone else to turn up.

I really wonder what the hell is going on up there...money is being spent like it's going out of fashion...Fifteen thousand on free bags of grit for Hyndburn's wealthy...two thousand quid on some junk mail called the 'Beacon' (how well will that burn, I wonder?)....another couple of thousand for some idiots to cavort on Broadway. Have the powers-that-be gone completely bonkers?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Whats all this nonsense about Flash Mobs costing a grand? Where has that figure come from? We get flash mob events practically every week here in London and the most they cost is that of an text message sent inviting someone else to turn up.

I really wonder what the hell is going on up there...money is being spent like it's going out of fashion...Fifteen thousand on free bags of grit for Hyndburn's wealthy...two thousand quid on some junk mail called the 'Beacon' (how well will that burn, I wonder?)....another couple of thousand for some idiots to cavort on Broadway. Have the powers-that-be gone completely bonkers?

yep but they won't tell ya some of the costs. forgot to add i got a lovely "Free" shopping bag down accy this dinner, Carbon Zero Jute Bag, real good quality was givin em away on outside market opposite wilkinsons, ta very much, wonder what they cost?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Whats all this nonsense about Flash Mobs costing a grand? Where has that figure come from?

In my question, earlier in this thread...

'So we, the public, can try and evaluate the worth of the project, are you saying that the costs involved for the whole flash mob dance is £1,000.00?

Absolutely no other funding costs?'

The reply (in post 230) was...

Originally Posted by Gayle

No other costs.

This doesn't appear to be the actual cost though, despite that very clear answer.

According to page two of this link, the actual funding cost was ...

Total budget £1,160

Dance prep x 1 day £100
9 groups @ £15 per hour £810
Performance co-ordination £100
Admin £150
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I agree with you. The whole point of flash mobs is they cost nowt to put on, even the ones attracting thousands of people. Certainly they don't cost the tax payer a penny to arrange them.

It does leave many people pondering why the funding costs of the Victorian Swimming Gala are to be kept secret...until after the event.

Surely it can't be that we'd be shocked as to the costings?

We'd all keep that in mind, realising funding is relative to the worth, when working out the 'value to us of public funded art', like the swimming event.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by garinda

It does leave many people pondering why the funding costs of the Victorian Swimming Gala are to be kept secret...until after the event.

Maybe its just to wind you lot up





Its working really well

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Neil

Maybe its just to wind you lot up





Its working really well

Neil Shushhhhhhhhhhh you'll spoil the fun

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Neil

Maybe its just to wind you lot up

Its working really well

Not at all.

I'm agreeing with the saying that 'All publicity, even when it's bad, is good publicity'.

In which case this tax payer funded fiasco, will be a a roaring success.

Still, in this climate of transparency and cuts, the time of living off the cream, skimmed from the top of the tax payers' collective milk bottle, will soon be over.

Forget wind, as in clock.

That'll put the wind, as in blow, up all those arty types who can't make a living commercially, but who have had to rely on state funding to make a living.

That'll put more smiles on people's faces, than their so called 'community art' ever did.