The value of public funded art

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

"Hyndburn Enterprise Trust helped me immensely.
Whilst I would have to say that the grant money is nice...

'Mediatricks helps young, small to medium sized businesses promote their company in unique and economical ways.'

'...we can help you promote your products or services to your target markets.'

'Google Page Ranking stands for Public Relations. Effective Google Page Ranking aims to strengthen, maintain and shape a company's position within its markets and secure its reputation in the community as a whole.'

'My business is marketing and publicity, but one area that I was lacking knowledge was financially'

Hyndburn Enterprise Trust - Means Better Business

If all publicity is good publicity, she'll probably pop back soon to thank those who've helped in publicising the events showcased by the companies and professionals involved, who've benefited from public funding, and who have exhibited such creative and diverse community arts for us here in Hyndburn.

Is Gayle's company Mediatricks still in business?

Are any of the artists/companies involved in any of these events, past or present clients?

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by garinda

Is Gayle's company Mediatricks still in business?

No

Originally Posted by garinda

Are any of the artists/companies involved in any of these events, past or present clients?

No

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Gayle

No



No

Oh, that's very sad. As it is when any commercial business fails. A local one especially.

Just crossed my mind, with a name like Mediatricks, that you'd been suprisingly clever, and tricked us all into providing a media, in which to promote the businesses you represented.

Guess not.

We digress, back to the subject of the thread, 'the value of public funded art.

Perhaps the reason the fundings costs of the Victorian Swimming Gala are being kept (sort of) secret, until after the event, unlike all the others, is because the public will indeed be very shocked.

Not at the vast amounts of money involved, but because it's so cheap, and that we'd therefore not have very high expectations, when it comes to assessing the quality of the performance.

Perhaps the shock, and the real reason the funding costs are being cloaked in secrecy, is that the performing clowns will be heading back to Yorkshire, not with sack loads of Hyndburn payers' taxes, but five loaves, two fishes, and a black pudding between them, as their fee.

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by garinda

Oh, that's very sad. As it is when any commercial business fails. A local one especially.

My business did not fail. There is no need to resort to personal attacks and snidy comments. You have surprised me.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Gayle

My business did not fail. There is no need to resort to personal attacks and snidy comments. You have surprised me.

I apologise.

If it makes you happier...

Oh, that's very sad. As it is when any commercial business ceases trading. A local one especially.

Sadly the continued silence, regarding making the costs of the Victorian Swimming Gala known to the public who are actually funding it, as both the Minister of Culture and the Arts Council say it should be, suprises no one.

Apparently the information has to be released within twenty days, after it has been requested under the Freedom of Information Act.

I have no idea when the person who requested the funding costs did this, but there's the very real possibilty that the information will be in the public domain before the event anyway. Which makes the continued silence a bit of a Google Page Ranking disaster.

Again I apologise if you think I've been 'snidy' (sic).

I don't think I have.

The only things I've said about you personally have been positive.

I prefer to see the good in people.

Which is why I knew you yourself weren't being snidey, when referring to 'suit sellers', as I'd (wrongly) been reported in the press of doing, and 'cake makers', which I believe is the nature of Acrylic-bob's successful business, when you asked what were worthwhile jobs, in post 10 of this thread.

Still, not long to go.

Let's hope the weather picks up before the 27th, or the Yorkshire clowns really will be swimming down Broadway.

(No need to thank me, for yet one more plug for the event.)

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Gayle

You have surprised me.

Since you appear to have popped back, welcome, by the way, how on earth can people judge the value of publicly funded art, which is what this thread is about, if they don't know the financial costs involved, which will help them decide on the value of something?

Go on.

As well as helping the people who are funding it, and who might be struggling to evaluate the value of publicy funded art, suprise them.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda
'So we, the public, can try and evaluate the worth of the project, are you saying that the costs involved for the whole flash mob dance is £1,000.00?

Absolutely no other funding costs?'

Originally Posted by Gayle

No other costs.

Total budget £1,160

Dance prep x 1 day £100
9 groups @ £15 per hour £810
Performance co-ordination £100
Admin £150
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Could you possibly throw any light on this apparent discrepancy, regarding the funding costs of the flash mob event?

[Tealeaf]

No mention of VAT @ 17.5%.

[garinda]

Again, no thanks, in helping promote the event.

I'm sure we'll all have learnt the steps soon, and we'll then consider it money very well spent.

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[shillelagh]

sorry to go back to the flash mob ... but on the flash mob website .. which advertises them .. it does have Dance accy on it .. but its the only one with funding .. none of the rest mention it at all ...

Flashmob Dancing Accy | Flashmob.co.uk

On 20th November, between 1pm and 2pm, there will be a Flash Mob in Accrington Town Centre. Four dances will happen during the hour. Assemble on Broadway in Accrington to watch and join in.
This is phase 3 of project called Liberating Empty Terrain which aims to bring people back into Accrington Town Centre. Phase 1 and 2 included Mapping Accy, Animating Accy and Crotcheting Accy.
This project is co-funded by Hyndburn Borough Council and the Arts Council via Creativity Works and is part of a Pennine Lancashire Initiative to reinvigorate town centres.

plymouth's:
It’s getting cold and everyone needs a hug right? So how about we get as many of the good people of plymouth in the same place, at the same time and share a hug with friends and strangers to let eachother know that actually, most people really are cool and friendly.
so, the plan- everyone turn up on armada way between the big sundial and the big screen at about 1:55pm on the 13th of november and keep an eye on the clock on the big screen, so at 2pm exactly…hug a friend, hug a stranger, hug your mum, hug my mum, hug both our mums at the same time, hug whoever you want to hug.
the rules
1- respect other people’s personal space, ask someone if they want a hug before you go for it
2-hugs will go on as long as they have to
3-no bottom pinching. see rule 1.
4-invite your friends and let’s see how many people we can have hugging at once

Now go forth and spread the word!
Invite everyone you know who thinks life is better when you’ve just had a hug, everyone who believes strangers are really nice people as well and everyone who still thinks love can change the world!

Leeds:
At 3pm on saturday the 25th of november we meet up at a site yet to be decided sync watches then head to the centre of brigate in leeds. People need to looks like they are going about there general business but be around the right area as soon as it hits 3pm people freeze for 5min and then carry on after the 5 min has gone.

Manchester:
To take place in the centre of Manchester. A flashmob about giving, interacting with strangers and simple kindness, because we don’t have enough of that, right? A massive group of people will assemble and as the clocks strike 12pm, get on their knees, and present to a complete stranger a gift. It could be small and seemingly insignificant - a balloon, or a banana, or a spoon. Or it could be your red Ferrari as you have one lying around, cluttering the drive. Whatever you want. It’s time to put a (bemused) smile on someone’s face! Check out our website at mobtogive.tumblr.com


Theyre simple .. dont need to learn a dance ..

[Tealeaf]

Please, please, please tell me that this is a joke.

I think that flash mobbing started in the US about 5 years ago; it was about a spontaneous display, creating street art by members of the public; as such it was the very antithesis of funded and elitist art. I remember about 18 months ago I was caught up at Liverpool St station when about 10,000 turned up for a performance. Amazing . And it cost not a penny.

Whatever this stuff is that is planned for Accy, it has absolutely nowt to do with flash mobbing. Call it a dance show, call it a disco, call it what you will - but not this.

Ooops..just seen the previous post....but look! No dance troops in Plymouth, Manchester or Leeds...just people turning up to make the event.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

Again, no thanks, in helping promote the event.

I'm sure we'll all have learnt the steps soon, and we'll then consider it money very well spent.

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Although if you'd gone down the more tradition route, the costs would have been zilch...

Originally Posted by garinda

Approach local dance schol. Find out who is good, and perhaps wants to dance as a career. Ask if they'd help video an easy to learn sequence, which would be filmed, after promissing them you'll write a reference, if/when they apply to study dance at college, and perhaps throw in a new pair of leg-warmers.

Make sure details of event, and video showing what people should do at allotted time of flash mob, are sent to every school, youth club, community centre, whoever else might be interested, in the area.

Sit back, and watch it happen.

No fees, no admin. charges, no charge for performance co-ordination.

Nothing required from the public purse at all.

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A great fat zero, and a saving of £1,160.00

[garinda]

Ok, the cost of a pair of leg-warmers.

[shillelagh]

Flashmob FAQs | Flashmob.co.uk


What is a Flash Mob?
It’s a sudden gathering of people into a crowd that do something unusual for a few minutes in unison and then disperse.
Who runs Flash Mobs?
Flash mobs are run by individual people for the fun of it. There are no organisations behind real Flash Mobs, though there have been many gatherings using Flash Mob principles organised by commercial interests.
How can I go to a Flash Mob?
You need to find a group that is close to your location flashmob.co.uk should be one of your choices for keeping in touch by reading the site and following us on Twitter and you could through social networking sites such as Facebook and Myspace for groups setting up Flash Mobs.
Do I need props?
Generally no, though themed flashmobs are on the increase, but if an item is needed you will be notified in the instructions e-mailed to you.
Can I dress up for a Flash Mob?
Generally this is frowned upon as the idea is for a crowd to suddenly appear out of nowhere and if everyone is dressed as clowns it may just give the game away!
Can you do a Flash Mob for my product launch?
Several corporates have tried this, the first to really jump on the bandwagon were the band Jane’s Addiction and certain news media companies did their own banana based stunt in London. Yes you can do a commercial version of flash mobbing but don’t expect any help from traditional Flash mob organisers - if you can find them. The whole spirit of the idea gets a little bit tainted as soon as anyone tries to use flash mobs as a communication exercise and the public can be quite cynical about your objectives. But if you do go ahead then do remember that success relies on ordinary members of the public enjoying themselves - how would you feel being used to promote something you may not believe in.
There has never been a Flash Mob in my town, can I set one up?
Yes go ahead and do it - enjoy yourself. If you need help and tips then get in contact by e-mail with the organisers of other flash mob groups who will give you plenty of advice. Look for contact details on Twitter, Facebook, Myspace or flash mob websites, or Yahoo/Google Groups.

[DaveinGermany]

The Manchester one could prove quite novel ! A pork pie to a vegetableist, a banana to .... we'll leave that one alone? a can of Beer to a reformed Alcoholic ? Issues all over it.

It’s time to put a (bemused) smile on someone’s face! And get lamped in the process, we're talking Manchester here ! Random acts of kindness don't happen & if they do they are usually judged with a large dollop of suspicion, quality ! There are definitely some strange folk out there.