These people are animals in the name of religion

[accyman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

So what your saying accyman is that the new generation of muslims are hypocrites

what im saying is that as each generation passes they arnt as stuck to their faith and are letting go a little

[cashman]

Originally Posted by accyman

what im saying is that as each generation passes they arnt as stuck to their faith and are letting go a little

that i agree with in 80s, early 90s was a couple used to work wi me,not kids but middle-aged, when they were on shifts wi us,n there mates were on other shifts, used to go canteen n get bacon butties, one in fact used to pick his horses outa daily mirror n put a split on everyday,whilst eating his butty, would never do it when certain others were on our shift. also he used to come fer a pint wi is after 6-2 shift finished, before catching bus home to blackburn n THEN being a good chap. was a top geezer sadly no longer wi us.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

that i agree with in 80s, early 90s was a couple used to work wi me,not kids but middle-aged, when they were on shifts wi us,n there mates were on other shifts, used to go canteen n get bacon butties, one in fact used to pick his horses outa daily mirror n put a split on everyday,whilst eating his butty, would never do it when certain others were on our shift. also he used to come fer a pint wi is after 6-2 shift finished, before catching bus home to blackburn n THEN being a good chap. was a top geezer sadly no longer wi us.

I used to have a drinking buddy who was a muslim, he didn't give a toss

[accyman]

quite a lot dont but as i was told if the comunity leaders fall out with you or you fall foul of the mosque group you loose out on the perks of been a good memner of the community like interest free loans etc.Its well known they have their own banks etc and somone out of favour would loose out on certain privelages of been one of teh faithfull comunity.

its simply a case of what they dont see or know wont hurt so although the enjoy things we do they are just more carefull where the do it like buying booze from white owned shops for example

i use to live practically next door to an off licence and every night car upon car full of asians pulled up and bought loads of booze infact asians were her biggest customers but once it was sold to an asian they no longer went there for booze and practically over night there were no more asians using that shop at all

[DaveinGermany]

I can see the various points & it's not just a Muslim issue where folk pick & choose which part of their belief system is relevant at any given time & which particular edict can be ignored/bent/ used as a guide !! dependant on prevailing circumstances.

It's the fact that the religious leaders keep saying it's a moderate & sensible religion, then you see/hear about events like this. I'm aware that the British punishment & judicial system leaves a lot to be desired, but this is even worse & this is the Sharia that they say should be incorporated into the British legal system ?? Why ??

[cashman]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

I can see the various points & it's not just a Muslim issue where folk pick & choose which part of their belief system is relevant at any given time & which particular edict can be ignored/bent/ used as a guide !! dependant on prevailing circumstances.

It's the fact that the religious leaders keep saying it's a moderate & sensible religion, then you see/hear about events like this. I'm aware that the British punishment & judicial system leaves a lot to be desired, but this is even worse & this is the Sharia that they say should be incorporated into the British legal system ?? Why ??

yer quite correct dave its not just a muslim issue, never has been, when i was a kid us catholics had NOT to eat meat on a friday, which from being a teenager was blatantly ignored by me n many others, the differance lies in the fact, if we would have been Stoned,Flogged, put to Death, or osrtacised by the community, then we would have no doubt adhered to it. but it was not the british way- its called TOLERANCE.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cashman

yer quite correct dave its not just a muslim issue, never has been, when i was a kid us catholics had NOT to eat meat on a friday, which from being a teenager was blatantly ignored by me n many others, the differance lies in the fact, if we would have been Stoned,Flogged, put to Death, or osrtacised by the community, then we would have no doubt adhered to it. but it was not the british way- its called TOLERANCE.

That's the whole point, we have tolerance. Admittedly there are times when you see or hear about something & I for one would have no misgivings about putting a rope round someone's neck & letting them swing, but we don't do it nowadays.

The main issue is that the lad got away with it & the girl is the one being punished in more ways than one, this is wrong on so many levels ! The problem then arises that some of those "living here" see this & perceive it to be the norm & clamour for its' inclusion into UK law.

This should now be the instance when the present Government finds its got a spine, stands up and states its position we are multi-culti but BRITISH & as such the only law that applies & will ever apply is British law. Should the malcontent's who wish for a different legal system, carry on with their bleating they should be firmly shown the Airport given tickets & sent on their way to the land where the desired legal system operates. All entry visas & papers allowing access into UK should be revoked & we should never have to see their petulant faces again..... All those in favour !

[cashman]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

This should now be the instance when the present Government finds its got a spine, stands up and states its position we are multi-culti but BRITISH & as such the only law that applies & will ever apply is British law. Should the malcontent's who wish for a different legal system, carry on with their bleating they should be firmly shown the Airport given tickets & sent on their way to the land where the desired legal system operates. All entry visas & papers allowing access into UK should be revoked & we should never have to see their petulant faces again..... All those in favour !

Will never happen in my lifetime. i have no doubt whatsoever that IF one of the main partys introduced such a measure, THAT PARTY would WALK the next election. sadly it will not be!

[Eric]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

I can see the various points & it's not just a Muslim issue where folk pick & choose which part of their belief system is relevant at any given time & which particular edict can be ignored/bent/ used as a guide !! dependant on prevailing circumstances.

It's the fact that the religious leaders keep saying it's a moderate & sensible religion, then you see/hear about events like this. I'm aware that the British punishment & judicial system leaves a lot to be desired, but this is even worse & this is the Sharia that they say should be incorporated into the British legal system ?? Why ??

Christian leaders keep saying that Christianity is a moderate and sensible religion; yet, as all this is going on, Scott Roeder is claiming in an American court that it was ok for him to shoot abortion doctor, George Tiller, in church as he worshipped with his family, because he, Roeder, was trying to save the lives of the unborn. Muslims don't have a monopoly on wacky religious shlt ... similar born again nutbars are almost mainstream in certain parts of the Christian world ... esp. in the US.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Eric

Christian leaders keep saying that Christianity is a moderate and sensible religion; yet, as all this is going on, Scott Roeder is claiming in an American court that it was ok for him to shoot abortion doctor, George Tiller, in church as he worshipped with his family, because he, Roeder, was trying to save the lives of the unborn. Muslims don't have a monopoly on wacky religious shlt ... similar born again nutbars are almost mainstream in certain parts of the Christian world ... esp. in the US.

what ya on about eric? Dave said in post ya quoted- its not just a muslim issue.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by cashman

what ya on about eric? Dave said in post ya quoted- its not just a muslim issue.

Just variations on a theme, is all.

[Eric]

And further variations and questions: Why is it that we, as a society, not as individuals, seem prepared to tolerate religious extremists? Is it because of some misplaced pcism? That we don't want to appear as if we are intolerant of someone's "beliefs", even if those beliefs involve Guyana Kool Aid and suicide bombing, and whatever those nutbars in the appropriately named Waco, Texas believed in?

[BERNADETTE]

Originally Posted by Eric

And further variations and questions: Why is it that we, as a society, not as individuals, seem prepared to tolerate religious extremists? Is it because of some misplaced pcism? That we don't want to appear as if we are intolerant of someone's "beliefs", even if those beliefs involve Guyana Kool Aid and suicide bombing, and whatever those nutbars in the appropriately named Waco, Texas believed in?

"We"(ie the general public) as you put it Eric are not prepared to tolerate religious extremists as far as I can gather. The powers that be in this country IMHO seem to be intent in bending over backwards in making our country a laughing stock around the world. If any one of us travels to another country we accept their customs but seems not so here. Just be glad you got out mate because Britain "Great" or otherwise is long gone!!!!!

[BERNADETTE]

[quote] DaveinGermany? is even worse & this is the Sharia that they say should be incorporated into the British legal system ?? Why ?? [/] To late to worry as Sharia Law is being used in conjunction with British Law, wonder just how long before it takes precedence!!!!!

[steeljack]

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

" The powers that be in this country IMHO seem to be intent in bending over backwards in making our country a laughing stock around the world. If any one of us travels to another country we accept their customs but seems not so here.!

Not so , seems the Labour Govt. appointed Ambassador to the Republic of Yemen has had a problem with his zipper .....a fine example to set to the 'heathens' in an Islamic republic when "we the West" are preaching morality
Married ambassador to Yemen moves pregnant mistress into official residence - Telegraph

Suppose its ok though since he is a typical Labour appointee/politician and as everyone knows most of them have the morals of a butchers cur dog .