These people are animals in the name of religion

[SPUGGIE J]

Sadly the Catholic church does not want to change. I personally think they like the power they have over and shove down the throats of people. As for priests being allowed to marry then yes they should as they are so far out of touch with modern life it beggars belief.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by jaysay

This is an area of the Catholic church I disagree with, I am by no means pro abortion far from it, but a case like this shows the Church are detached from ordinary family life, is it any wonder catholic churches are closing because they can't recruit people to be priests. I have long been in favour of Catholic priests marrying, which in today's society is the only way forward. If there were married priest they would have a better understanding of the needs of the family, and would bring the church out of the dark ages

Have to get pedantic on this one: the church in the so-called "Dark Ages" was a more pure and more spiritual institution than it is today. And it was certainly more accepting of scientific experiment and inquiry. Bernard of Clairvaux sort of messed things up ... but what the hell. Starting about the middle of the thirteenth century, the church starts to go a little nuts. I think that one can date the decline of the church into what it is now, not with the Borgia Popes, but with the issue of the Bull "Unum Sanctum ... " by Boniface Vlll in thirteen hundred and something or other (sorry, doing this from memory), which stated that there was no salvation outside the church. Have a nice day, eh

[SPUGGIE J]

Oh buggar then I am off to the bbq area when I pop mi clogs. Salvation what is that in real speak I wonder.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

Oh buggar then I am off to the bbq area when I pop mi clogs. Salvation what is that in real speak I wonder.

I don't really know what salvation is .... but I do know that it has an army Anyhow, hell might not be all that bad in comparison. Ever thought how an eternity of harp playing would screw up your finger nails

[MargaretR]

I have recently read the books of Robert A Monroe who did decades of research into out of body experience.

One finding of his is relevant to this thread.
After death, on the astral plane, each religion has its own region where 'indoctrination' continues.
......until the spirit decides that religion answers nothing/serves no purpose
..... then the spirit can progress to higher levels
ie. religion holds back the evolution of conciousness

[SPUGGIE J]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I have recently read the books of Robert A Monroe who did decades of research into out of body experience.

One finding of his is relevant to this thread.
After death, on the astral plane, each religion has its own region where 'indoctrination' continues.
......until the spirit decides that religion answers nothing/serves no purpose
..... then the spirit can progress to higher levels
ie. religion holds back the evolution of conciousness

Erm does that mean that a free thinking free spirit with no religious ties has a better chance of topping the tree (bit hindu/buddist to me) so to speak. Heck they aint happy (religions) controlling and dictating to us in our mortal coil that they hinder us in the daisy pushing stage.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I have recently read the books of Robert A Monroe who did decades of research into out of body experience.

One finding of his is relevant to this thread.
After death, on the astral plane, each religion has its own region where 'indoctrination' continues.
......until the spirit decides that religion answers nothing/serves no purpose
..... then the spirit can progress to higher levels
ie. religion holds back the evolution of conciousness

So what this fella is saying is, that after being told you'll go to Heaven/Paradise /Valhalla/Shangri la or whatever all your life by religious leaders, When you're standing outside the Pearly gates (or equivalent) you go into a waiting room ? pick a number & wait ! then when it's your turn you go in to see the social worker/adviser who then continues to prattle on about the values of said religious groups teachings, like their earth bound contemporaries !

After listening to this gibberish you then go where ? if you step out of the office & regard the just gleaned prattle of being worthless then you advance to a superior plane ? if that's the case the brouhaha on Earth is pointless, because whatever they make you believe on Earth has no bearing on your ascension into Heaven etc, because when you get there you should just ignore the babble & nip round the corner for a better future !

Err ....... The pointlessness speaks volumes I think.

[Retlaw]

St Peter was showing a new comer round heaven when they came across a two large walls, where chanting could be heard, St Peter said don't make too much noise the catholics are behind that one and the muslims are behind the other.
Why the walls asked the new comer.
St Peter replied, its because they think they are the only ones here.

Retlaw.

[accyman]

i dont want to goto heaven all my friends will be in hell so whats the point

[MargaretR]

If I have aroused your curiosity you could read his books
Journeys out of Body
Far Journeys
Ultimate Journey
I found free downloads of them.

Or you could watch these videos of him giving a briefer explanation of his research
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

If you are ready to recieve the info and approach it with an open mind, you may well feel the benefit of it.

[US Angel]

Seems to me we forgot a crime was committed
or is Rape not longer a crime

[SPUGGIE J]

Originally Posted by US Angel

Seems to me we forgot a crime was committed
or is Rape not longer a crime

No but it seems to have opened a somewhat diverse debate on religious attitudes in all faiths.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

No but it seems to have opened a somewhat diverse debate on religious attitudes in all faiths.

Ain't that a good reason for all faiths to keep their noses out, a crime against a person is against the law, no matter what it is Spugs