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Mancie · 06-05-2009, 08:25

seems to me "anything goes" means wherever you like as far as you are concerned.... your links to anti government /pro Tory propaganda are direct and follow you around no matter which section you post in....and I suspect I'm just gonna have to put up with it.

jaysay · 06-05-2009, 09:02

Nice to see Mancie's is feeling better and back on the lash

must still be celebrating last nights events at the Emirates

Nobody is against Human Rights (that okay for you simple Sam) just against at the loopholes that these scumbags use to further their own pathetic end, this is nothing to do with Tory Labour or the Monster Raving Loony Party, its about justice for those who are so badly treated by it, we hear about cases every day, The European Human Rights act, in its present form, was signed by Tony Blair (by his own words his finest achievement) in 1998 which ensured that Human Rights lawyers such as Ms Booth can fill their boots and have been doing so ever since. Just in passing I notice Simple Sam has been unable to add any meaning full input to this debate

SamF · 06-05-2009, 09:13

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Originally Posted by Mancie

ok blazey.. try explianing that Jaysay,

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Don't be stupid, JaySay is someone who will believe anything just to make him angry. Hence why it is fun to metaphorically prod him with a stick. He also personally attacks anyone who disagrees with him. Such behaviour should be beyond someone of your intelligence, the way you are acting is discrediting any good points you've made. (I should know, I do that sort of thing all the time

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Also Blazey, that degree of yours is working, a year ago and you'd have been shot down for your opinions but you put them forward very well. And I'm trying to say that without being patronising however I fear am failing miserably.

The legal system works bloody well in this country and I'd like to ask how many of the people who are so aggressive in their views as to why law x should be scrapped, have even read the act ? Studied law and the legal system ? In any way looked at the facts and formed your own conclusion ? Or is it, as I suspect, based on second hand accounts and tabloid fiction ?

Mancie · 06-05-2009, 09:17

yep Jaysay (the only black, gay Tory in the village)... the act was ratified by Tony Blair...and was implemented for good and bad.. it's fair enough to pick holes in it and loopholes there maybe.. but there is no mention of letting rapists or peodophiles off the hook... you condem regulations that allow anyone to have a fair trial..anyone.. not just the rich and powerfull that are your masters
you say we should revoke the human rights act...and what would you replace it with?... an anarchistic free for all were if you don't like the look or views of someone they get the chop?... sounds like Sharia law to me..and you don't want that..or do you?

jaysay · 06-05-2009, 10:06

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Originally Posted by Mancie

yep Jaysay (the only black, gay Tory in the village)... the act was ratified by Tony Blair...and was implemented for good and bad.. it's fair enough to pick holes in it and loopholes there maybe.. but there is no mention of letting rapists or peodophiles off the hook... you condem regulations that allow anyone to have a fair trial..anyone.. not just the rich and powerful that are your masters
you say we should revoke the human rights act...and what would you replace it with?... an anarchistic free for all were if you don't like the look or views of someone they get the chop?... sounds like Sharia law to me..and you don't want that..or do you?

No, I just don't want people with slick lawyers on legal aide, using the EHRA to get a scumbag (who has been convicted) of the hook by using loopholes in this act. Its about time we started looking at the RIGHTS of the victims and not these serial offenders

Margaret Pilkington · 06-05-2009, 13:49

unless I am very much mistaken....and I'm sure that if I am I will be corrected on this...Blazey has not yet graduated......I think that she will have another year to do before she graduates......so while she may be studying for a degree SamF....she hasn't actually got one....yet.
And while I freely admit to not having read the whole of the European Human Rights Act.....it was covered in courses that I did during my time in the NHS...as part of a Management qualification....so my information isn't purely from the newspapers...and we don't all read the red top tabloid press.
It does not appear to protect the vulnerable as I am sure was intended...but it does appear to protect the criminals and line the pocket of lawyers who seem to have the knack of exploiting it for their own benefits.

SamF · 06-05-2009, 15:03

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

unless I am very much mistaken....and I'm sure that if I am I will be corrected on this...Blazey has not yet graduated......I think that she will have another year to do before she graduates......so while she may be studying for a degree SamF....she hasn't actually got one....yet.

Can't see how she has graduated or not has anything to do with it, she mentioned she has studied european law which is what is relevant here. She also has 4 years more formal legal legal training than the majority the people on this board, 2 years more than myself.

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And while I freely admit to not having read the whole of the European Human Rights Act.....it was covered in courses that I did during my time in the NHS...as part of a Management qualification....so my information isn't purely from the newspapers...and we don't all read the red top tabloid press.

The act is here if you do wish to read it

Human Rights Act 1998 (c. 42)

If you wanted to look at any others a quick google will find you them - they are all online nowadays

I am honestly not trying to discourage an actual debate on this subject, infact I think it would be an interesting one, if an intelligent one and not based on exagerration and red vs blue - can I ask for clarification on what you mean when you say

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It does not appear to protect the vulnerable as I am sure was intended...but it does appear to protect the criminals and line the pocket of lawyers who seem to have the knack of exploiting it for their own benefits.

Margaret Pilkington · 06-05-2009, 15:12

Well, Sam, this child is not being protected,in any shape or form.....so therefore she is vulnerable.
Lawyers make lots of money exploiting Human Rights issues on behalf of those convicted of crimes.

Margaret Pilkington · 06-05-2009, 15:16

Her abuser contravened Article 3 of the Human Rights Charter...he tortured her sexually.

Using her as an object for his sexual perversions was degrading and demeaning.
She will live with this for the rest of her life.

jaysay · 06-05-2009, 16:06

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Her abuser contravened Article 3 of the Human Rights Charter...he tortured her sexually.

Using her as an object for his sexual perversions was degrading and demeaning.
She will live with this for the rest of her life.

Your wasting your time Margaret, what Samuel knows will fit in a book what he doesn't know will fill the library