This should never be allowed in the UK

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Gayle

I don't get how this is changing your rules and culture to accommodate other people.

People go on about this sort of stuff all the time - how it's diminishing our culture or our religion. It's NOT! They're not asking you to have a burial pyre at your funeral, they're asking if they can. They're not asking you to change your religion, they're just asking if they can practise their own. They're not taking away from your culture, only you can do that.

Sorry Gayle you're wrong, burning bodies on an open fire is against the law of our land, so why should we change our laws to suit people who want to come and live here. If we keep changing our laws for every nationality with their own religion, who settle here, there will be nothing left of own culture, its already being eroded by the PC brigade who are prepared to recognise every religion except Christianity, and we see examples of this day in day out, unless we take a stand there will be nothing left of the Britain I grew up in, there is precious little as it is now

[shakermaker]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Not it doesn't entwisi, but every time we give way its just another nail in the coffin of our own British culture, why should we have to change our rules to accommodate other people who want to settle in this country, I'm sorry but its time we said enough is enough

That 'nail in the coffin' garble sounds suspiciously - no, exactly - like BNP propaganda. I must've read it thousands of times among ignorant ramblings... really hope you're not one of them jaysay.

Sorry, back to topic. I sincerely hope Davender Ghai's petition has failed for reasons of failure to make the practice safe, rather than a lack of tolerance (or an abundance of fear) on the council's part.

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Sorry Gayle you're wrong, burning bodies on an open fire is against the law of our land, so why should we change our laws to suit people who want to come and live here. If we keep changing our laws for every nationality with their own religion, who settle here, there will be nothing left of own culture, its already being eroded by the PC brigade who are prepared to recognise every religion except Christianity, and we see examples of this day in day out, unless we take a stand there will be nothing left of the Britain I grew up in, there is precious little as it is now

If the law was being changed so that everyone had to be put on a funeral pyre then yes, I'd object. But that's not the point. If 100 years ago people had wanted to have funeral pyres in England then the laws would have changed and we'd all have the option now - it's never come up before because we've done things the way that we do things for all these years.

The thing is that by allowing a religion to deal with their dead in one way doesn't mean that you have to change anything that you do personally.

[Benipete]

Sounds very much like the thin end of the wedge to me.
Mark my words there is more to this than meets the pyre.(I mean eye).

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by Gayle

You may have lived in Spain but did you live life exactly like a Spaniard. Did you eat Paella every night, did you go to Catholic Mass every week, did you speak Spanish day in day out?

Where did that load of tosh come from?
Spaniards dont eat paella every night, Spain is a catholic country but 40% are not church goers apart from weddings and funerals and yes if you live in Spain you try to learn the language and use the language day in day out.
Spain is welcoming many people from many countries but if you do not toe the line and observe the laws of the country you are shown the departure gate.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by shakermaker

That 'nail in the coffin' garble sounds suspiciously - no, exactly - like BNP propaganda. I must've read it thousands of times among ignorant ramblings... really hope you're not one of them jaysay.

Sorry, back to topic. I sincerely hope Davender Ghai's petition has failed for reasons of failure to make the practice safe, rather than a lack of tolerance (or an abundance of fear) on the council's part.

Your first part I won't even dignify with an answer.
This is not about tolerance at all, I have no problem with people coming to live here, never have had never will, however, what I do have a problem with is we are being treated like second class citizens in our own country, we haven't to mention Christmas, its now Winter Festival, must upset other religions, Easter, well that was crossed of the Calendar a long time ago, kids can't have piggy banks, and as for golliwogs, God forbid.
Come here live your lives follow your religion, but within the laws of the land and without predigest to the indigenous population is not much to ask really

[Gayle]

I was being facetious.

I was just trying to point out that you don't have to adopt the culture of a country completely and you can retain your own even if you live in another country.

When the British Empire was half the world we changed the way things happen in some countries - that was a takeover. This is not a request to change the laws so that they are Hindu, this is allowing Hindu's the opportunity to carry on their faith within our country.

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by Gayle

I was being facetious.

I was just trying to point out that you don't have to adopt the culture of a country completely and you can retain your own even if you live in another country.

When the British Empire was half the world we changed the way things happen in some countries - that was a takeover. This is not a request to change the laws so that they are Hindu, this is allowing Hindu's the opportunity to carry on their faith within our country.

This is a challenge to the law of the land which was rejected.

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by Royboy39

This is a challenge to the law of the land which was rejected.

And I think it should have been allowed.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Royboy39]

What about this for a senario?

If the council of Muslims applied to erect a minaret in either Blackburn, Bolton or even Accrington with associated loud speakers for the Imams to call believers to prayer 6 times a day.............This is following a religion..........Would you accept or object?

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by Royboy39

What about this for a senario?

If the council of Muslims applied to erect a minaret in either Blackburn, Bolton or even Accrington with associated loud speakers for the Imams to call believers to prayer 6 times a day.............This is following a religion..........Would you accept or object?

On the one hand I do support everybody being able to follow their own religion if it doesn't affect anyone else. However, this could potentially affect other people so I can see why it would be refused.

Wasn't there a thing a while ago about someone having to silence bells on a church because of the noise (I think it was in some sleepy village), so if they have to silence church bells then I would have to say no, loud speakers shouldn't be allowed.

Good question.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Gayle

On the one hand I do support everybody being able to follow their own religion if it doesn't affect anyone else. However, this could potentially affect other people so I can see why it would be refused.

Wasn't there a thing a while ago about someone having to silence bells on a church because of the noise (I think it was in some sleepy village), so if they have to silence church bells then I would have to say no, loud speakers shouldn't be allowed.

Good question.

Gotcha with that one Gayle didn't he

[Royboy39]

On a lighter note........I was in Malaya and The Imams started calling at 6.am.
There were 6 minarets on the same street all with loud speakers and competing for punters.........Being a sqadie at the time and partial to a drop or two suffering from what you might call a thumping skull after a good night out.
The sights and sounds of Malaya did not go down very well.
Would not, could not object, Muslim country.

[shakermaker]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Your first part I won't even dignify with an answer.
This is not about tolerance at all, I have no problem with people coming to live here, never have had never will, however, what I do have a problem with is we are being treated like second class citizens in our own country, we haven't to mention Christmas, its now Winter Festival, must upset other religions, Easter, well that was crossed of the Calendar a long time ago, kids can't have piggy banks, and as for golliwogs, God forbid.
Come here live your lives follow your religion, but within the laws of the land and without predigest to the indigenous population is not much to ask really

I'd hate to live in the country you live in, sounds terrible mate

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by shakermaker

I'd hate to live in the country you live in, sounds terrible mate

I think you probably do but wont admit it.