Throwing a Googly.

[garinda]

Reach Global are just another company, although they are local-ish, out to make a profit.

Just like any other company, including Google.

If they can get Graham Jones to spend his time helping them achieve greater profits, jolly well done them.

[Tealeaf]

Originally Posted by garinda

Reach Global are just another company, although they are local-ish, out to make a profit.

Just like any other company, including Google.

If they can get Graham Jones to spend his time helping them achieve greater profits, jolly well done them.

After a long struggle, Garinda, I think you finally got there.

Forget about corporate ethics - neither google, nor microsoft nor this outfit in Church is whiter than white. They're all out to make a profit and in the process create jobs. I think it would be much better if those were local jobs rather than in India, China, Seattle, Silicon valley or the Shoreditch Roundabout.

By the way, I couldn't remember the name of the Church outfit, so I googled 'Bridge St Church Search Engine' and that's why nowt came up.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

After a long struggle, Garinda, I think you finally got there.

Forget about corporate ethics - neither google, nor microsoft nor this outfit in Church is whiter than white. They're all out to make a profit and in the process create jobs. I think it would be much better if those were local jobs rather than in India, China, Seattle, Silicon valley or the Shoreditch Roundabout.

By the way, I couldn't remember the name of the Church outfit, so I googled 'Bridge St Church Search Engine' and that's why nowt came up.

Yes, profit makes the world of economics go round.

Million quid sponsorship offer for Celebrity Big Brother.

Public support for the Labour party.

I wonder if any of these impressive profits were donated to any poltical parties?

Hey ho.

Better get Googling.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Less

If there was an accyweb mark 2 suddenly started up should accyweb under similar circumstances give them free advertising and perhaps even subsidise them until they got on their feet?

Jones went on to state that ''There are suggestions that Google’s search results are influenced by advertising and even that Google’s technology might deliberately lower the visibility of rival sites.”

MP has a pop at Google monopoly

A company, out to make profit, and not too keen to give a rival company, also out to make dosh, a helping hand?

Thank goodness that myth's been busted.

I'll go to the foot of our stairs.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

Thank goodness that myth's been busted.

Someone wag will probably come along next, trying to convince us that you can actually buy yourself a seat in the Lords, or some other glittering honour.

Merely by offering a little donation to a political party's coffers.

[g jones]

This issue is not top of my list of priorities and I quite like Google as a product. Reach Global do have political connections to Labour nationally and I am not privy to any of that. What has become clear is the European Union are investigating Google and a whole host of British companies are upset.

Now I am a little cynical and when I met them was up front in asking that this is all about being 'beaten into last place'. Just sour grapes. However it became clear the evidence is overwhelming interms of dubious practices. I would also add that I consider any company having a large minority share of the market as unhealthy. Google's is 91%. That's just the competition side.

Then there's the editorial side. I am not a liberal and I am quite happy to give up freedoms for a better society. Responsibilities before rights. Keep and extend the DNA database. If your innocent.... Fox News etc...

However having 91% and growing. Using off shoring to avoid £450m in tax yet most of your profits come form the UK. Using dubious tactics to push unclear sponsored returns and and having been proved that you were blackballing your competitors illegally is grounds for concern.

Whatever Reach Global are, they are a Hyndburn employer offering well paid jobs and there is scope to extend the 'enterprise area' around their site to other companies. Hyndburn has some unique IT advantages and we must capitalise so 'selling Hyndburn as a good place for IT' is very important.

I always said in my view our issues are welfare to work, more and better employment, chronically poor housing stock, poor medical (and complex recreational) provision amongst many issues. This debate wasn't in the Commons. It was in a small room called Westminster Hall where small 30 min and 90 min adjournment debates take place giving a chance for small issues to be raised. Not the big stuff unless someone wants a second go at the government. It's being blown out of all proportion.

It certainly hasn't consumed my time but has raised an issue that is before the EU investigators and this debate help flag it up to the British government. The employers and entrepreneurs message is stand up for UK firms, UK hitech and UK workers (and the UK tax payer).

I hope this clears up that is not a non-issue but a small one compared to all the other issues I am battling with in Parliament.

I am still using Google.

Google's subsidiaries allow company to avoid £450m tax on UK advertising
Revenues from customers in Britain were diverted to Google Ireland Limited

[garinda]

So, as of this very minute, Google have not been found guilty of breaking any laws, or breaching any countrys' legal business practices?

No. They haven't.

If 91% of us had freely chosen to read a newspaper, would that paper's economic rival publications have similarly valid claims, that they wielded too much power and influence?

'If' companies break the law, they should face prosecution.

If companies are just unhappy with the realities of a free market economy, and bemoan the fact that the most popular producer of goods/services, therefore have the largest power and influence, because of having the greatest share of the freely arrived at market, that is there right to so.

How many of us who'd think it was our MP's job, to lobby on their behalf, bleating that the reality of commerce sometimes it isn't very fair, is open to question.

You can't halt progress.

People have choice.

Lots of people like popping in their car to the supermarket, for a once weekly shop.

Some would say that large superstores should be sited out of town centers, to give smaller, already established competitors, a fighting chance of survival. Whether they do, or not, will ultimately depend on where, and how, people decide to shop.

Though we'd like to think our local politicans, responsible for such things as town planning and regeneration, would have the common sense that any clauses connected to planning applications, had some legal conditions attached if promises weren't carried out, such as the guaranteed number of new jobs that would be created in the area.

I'm sure that's the sort of things people would hope for. Rather than worrying about the ruthless truths, in the cut and thrust of the world of business. Which for the vast majority of people involved is about making the largest possible profits.

250 Accrington Tesco jobs for the jobless (From This Is Lancashire)

Fewer jobs on offer at Accrington's new Tesco store (From Lancashire Telegraph)

I bet the i's were dotted, and the t's crossed, when it came to the conditions of the million pound (plus) bung being accepted, that might be attached to whether a planning application is passed or not.

[garinda]

By the way, I do think it's great we have such a successful company in our area. Especially in such an important market. They should be supported. As all businesses in the area similarly should, large or small.

I just really don't see a problem. Unless a competitor is acting unlawfully, and therefore rivals are at a disadvantage.

I'm yet to see any evidence that this is the case.

To most it just looks like a case of sour grapes.

With rival companies likely to act in exactly the same way. If they were lucky enough to be the market leader.

[garinda]

Forgive me.

I'm probably just bitter that some big-shot millionaire is better than me, at getting our M.P. involved with their particular cause.

I invited Graham, ever so nicely, if he was in London, if he was not doing anything more important, to attend a reception at the House of Commons in November, organised by Parkinson's UK.

An event to lobby for continued medical research, and to ensure that disability rights and benefits aren't seen as an easy target when it comes to the cuts. He was invited to represent the eighty or so people of Hyndburn, and Haslingden, who are members of the charity Parkinson's UK, plus the many others in our area sufferring from Parkinson's disease, who aren't affliated to the charity.

I've no idea if he was unable to attend, as I never received a reply.

Perhaps I should hope they bring back Big Brother, then I can offer to sponsor it.

I might have greater success then.

[setayas]

Unless a competitor is acting unlawfully, and therefore rivals are at a disadvantage.

Which is why they are being investigated by several governments. Bear in mind that they still haven't deleted most, if any,of the data gathered illegally by their streetview vehicles.

Addendum: Sorry Garinda but it didn't show as a quote from your post.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by setayas

Unless a competitor is acting unlawfully, and therefore rivals are at a disadvantage.

Which is why they are being investigated by several governments. Bear in mind that they still haven't deleted most, if any,of the data gathered illegally by their streetview vehicles.

In English law you are innocent until proven guilty.

Plenty of people have been 'investigated', who haven't done diddly squat, when it came to it.

'If' someone, or some company, have been found guilty of breaching the law to gain unfair advantage over rivals, they should be prosecuted, and bleating that this was unfair will be justified.

At this point in time this is not the case.

Seems more like green eyed jealousy.

Mainly jealous of the massive profits earned, by those offering the most popular product.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by g jones

This issue is not top of my list of priorities and I quite like Google as a product. Reach Global do have political connections to Labour nationally and I am not privy to any of that. What has become clear is the European Union are investigating Google and a whole host of British companies are upset.

Now I am a little cynical and when I met them was up front in asking that this is all about being 'beaten into last place'. Just sour grapes. However it became clear the evidence is overwhelming interms of dubious practices. I would also add that I consider any company having a large minority share of the market as unhealthy. Google's is 91%. That's just the competition side.

Then there's the editorial side. I am not a liberal and I am quite happy to give up freedoms for a better society. Responsibilities before rights. Keep and extend the DNA database. If your innocent.... Fox News etc...

However having 91% and growing. Using off shoring to avoid £450m in tax yet most of your profits come form the UK. Using dubious tactics to push unclear sponsored returns and and having been proved that you were blackballing your competitors illegally is grounds for concern.

Whatever Reach Global are, they are a Hyndburn employer offering well paid jobs and there is scope to extend the 'enterprise area' around their site to other companies. Hyndburn has some unique IT advantages and we must capitalise so 'selling Hyndburn as a good place for IT' is very important.

I always said in my view our issues are welfare to work, more and better employment, chronically poor housing stock, poor medical (and complex recreational) provision amongst many issues. This debate wasn't in the Commons. It was in a small room called Westminster Hall where small 30 min and 90 min adjournment debates take place giving a chance for small issues to be raised. Not the big stuff unless someone wants a second go at the government. It's being blown out of all proportion.

It certainly hasn't consumed my time but has raised an issue that is before the EU investigators and this debate help flag it up to the British government. The employers and entrepreneurs message is stand up for UK firms, UK hitech and UK workers (and the UK tax payer).

I hope this clears up that is not a non-issue but a small one compared to all the other issues I am battling with in Parliament.

I am still using Google.

Google's subsidiaries allow company to avoid £450m tax on UK advertising
Revenues from customers in Britain were diverted to Google Ireland Limited

Good points ... however, with some on here out-Shandying Toby Shandy on their free enterprise hobby horses, it will be a hard sell. I don't think too many realize that in order to have a consumer economy, one has to have well-paid consumers. And, of course, that means jobs for UK citizens in all sectors of the economy, even if it means a measure of protectionism. Germany got it right. They make stuff. So do the Japanese. Doesn't BMW make the Mini now? And the Japanese and South Koreans make a lot of our electronics stuff.

Anyone remember those lines from Dire Straits: "If it wasn't for the nips being so good at building ships, the yards would still be open on the Clyde."

[Boeing Guy]

Eric

Anyone remember those lines from Dire Straits: "If it wasn't for the nips being so good at building ships, the yards would still be open on the Clyde."

It was 'The post war dream' from the album The Final Cut, by Pink Floyd.
You'll have Roger Waters and his bass guitar after you for suggesting Dire straites

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Eric

Good points ... however, with some on here out-Shandying Toby Shandy on their free enterprise hobby horses, it will be a hard sell. I don't think too many realize that in order to have a consumer economy, one has to have well-paid consumers. And, of course, that means jobs for UK citizens in all sectors of the economy, even if it means a measure of protectionism. Germany got it right. They make stuff. So do the Japanese. Doesn't BMW make the Mini now? And the Japanese and South Koreans make a lot of our electronics stuff.

Anyone remember those lines from Dire Straits: "If it wasn't for the nips being so good at building ships, the yards would still be open on the Clyde."

This isn't about levels of import/export tax, weighted to protect home produced goods.

It's about companies supplying services to a global market, and the fact that the most successful isn't keen to lose profits, by helping out their rivals.

If you check your Uncle Toby's Book of History you'll see mention of many countries with booming consumer economies, in which there was a population with a relatively low income. A little like modern day India.

Besides, in a world ranking, Britain rates fairly highly, when it comes to disposable income.

Dire Straits?

I think you must be in 'em, if you're taking their middle class, middle of the road, musing as gospel.

White youth, black youth
Better find another solution
Why not phone up Robin Hood?
And ask him for some wealth distribution
- The Clash - (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Eric

Germany got it right.

Yes, past tense.

Being as their economy is currently up Shish Kebab Creek.