Tories "work for benifits" scheme

Mancie · 07-01-2008, 22:17

The Tory Party are to reveal a new policy regarding unemployment benefits.
The new system will find work for people claiming unemployment benefit (JSA around £59.00 pw) and enforce a 25-30 hour week on claimants ..the proposal is for work such as cleaning of Goverment buildings (I presume this includes early starts such as 5.00am in the mornings.... do you agree with this?.. is this the Tory party that claimed to have learned its lesson when kicked out?..why not open up the old workhouse system?

shillelagh · 07-01-2008, 22:36

What happens to the people who are already doing those jobs?

davo69 · 07-01-2008, 22:54

i gather they r on about long time unemployed

cashman · 07-01-2008, 23:07

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i gather they r on about long time unemployed

yeh but cleaners already clean those buildings, what about them?

davo69 · 07-01-2008, 23:09

true but get the lazy buggers that dont want to work back in work or dont pay them

cashman · 07-01-2008, 23:16

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Originally Posted by davo69

true but get the lazy buggers that dont want to work back in work or dont pay them

wouldn,t dispute that! but these dickheads want to put em working where somebody already does, typical Tory stupidity.

Lilly · 07-01-2008, 23:19

It's a tricky one. I would never want to see a return to workhouse days but there are certainly some people who need to startle themselves and look for a job.

But.....there are also many many genuine claimants for benefits. The problem is how to weed out the malingerers from the genuinely sick / disabled.

Edit......sorry, just read first post again and realised they're not talking about folk on the sick are they? Just people on JSA.

Time for bed maybe LOL

Mancie · 07-01-2008, 23:25

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Originally Posted by cashman

yeh but cleaners already clean those buildings, what about them?

Excuse me if I sound cynical Cashy...but I did get the feeling in the 80's that Tory policy was to keep the employed on their toes..in fear of losing their jobs

cashman · 07-01-2008, 23:28

cynical is correct mancie- as i am with owt them buggars do.

garinda · 08-01-2008, 00:00

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Originally Posted by Lilly

Edit......sorry, just read first post again and realised they're not talking about folk on the sick are they? Just people on JSA.

They will target people on other benefits, such as Incapacity Benefits too.

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Tories target long-term jobless

MikeSz · 08-01-2008, 08:23

I think the idea is more complicated than that, we have a number of "unemployed" people in the country and are in the position that migrant work is now required to fill those vacancies. We currently have something like 1.5m jobs in the country and a large number of the population on long term incapacity and jobseekers allowance. You can see the logic, and there is a certain amount of sense to it - we have jobs that need doing and the work force there do so them, and the reality is a percentage would perhaps understandably prefer to stay at home and be paid benefits. Of course there is always the cynical view, and its easy to take an extreme point about such a policy and make it a negative one but you would be hard pressed to complain about migration, welfareism and an overcrowded country if such schemes are opposed. Dont forget, someone has to pay for all these people to sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle - of course there will be people with real dissabilities or conditions which make them unable to work and they should be supported but thats not what this is about.

WillowTheWhisp · 08-01-2008, 08:26

I don't know if I've misunderstood this but from what I heard on the news it sounded like it isn't going to save the government any money because they will still be paying the benefits but the recipients will be doing jobs which otherwise would be paid for by an employer (as in cleaning jobs) - so the taxpayer will end up subsidising businesses.

If somebody is going to be expected to do work in order to receive their benefit why doesn't the DSS just find a genuine job for them paid by an employer? Or could that be because the government realises that employers really can't cope with people who may be fit for work one day but not fit for work another day? Long term sick people have good days and bad days and on some of the good days they may seem fit as a fiddle whilst on the worst of their bad days they may be totally unable to get out of bed.

Apparently the scheme works in New York though.

entwisi · 08-01-2008, 09:36

I've always found it strange where people claim to be unable to work due to 'bad knees' etc. There are countless disabled people in wheel chairs who manage quite well to find and enjoy an active productive working life. I've worked closely with a guy who is a phalydamide victim. he types with his toes and manages pretty much everything including driving 20 miles each way to and from work.

Yolanda25 · 08-01-2008, 09:53

I think they should do anything as long as the stop claiming so much money, i used to clean offices and bar etc, nowt wrong with that,when u need the money u do anything.
Like entwisi says that people claim they are unable to work due to bad knees.
My mum is 60 and she works 12 and 13 hours a day, she has a very bad case of arthritis, fibromialgia and god knows what else, but she still gets up in the morning and goes to work and then comes home 2 take care of the house and look after my brother who is disable.So people out there that say that cant work due to bad knees or less, get off your arse and do something.
There, needed to get that out lol

Neil · 08-01-2008, 11:33

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

still be paying the benefits but the recipients will be doing jobs which otherwise would be paid for by an employer (as in cleaning jobs) - so the taxpayer will end up subsidising businesses.

If somebody is going to be expected to do work in order to receive their benefit why doesn't the DSS just find a genuine job for them paid by an employer?

Is that not the same as the Government creating new jobs?
Just look around you next time you take a walk anywhere. The whole country needs tidying up. Have a walk around you nearest park. Does it need work doing? How nice would the town centre look with 20 people walking round tidying up instead of 1?

To me the biggest problem won't be finding useful work for people, it will be keeping them doing the work.