Tory Hypocrisy? - Page 2

jaysay · 10-01-2012, 19:58

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

And if Scotland wants to stay in the EU it will have to re-apply as a new member, and as such it would be forced to adopt the Euro as currency....now isn't that just enought to put them off?

Margaret we're talking about jocks here ya know, half of um would cut their nose of to spite their face where the English are concerned

Mancie · 10-01-2012, 21:38

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

And if Scotland wants to stay in the EU it will have to re-apply as a new member, and as such it would be forced to adopt the Euro as currency....now isn't that just enought to put them off?

I think it is one of many things that will put them off if it's a straight yes/no vote on totally leaving the UK.. people on here can say what they like about the Scots but they're not known as stupid when it comes to money matters!

cmonstanley · 10-01-2012, 21:45

here we go dinosaur politics you will find if there was a referendum the answer would be no, as most people in scotland and england have relations in each country or descended from each other.the snp have a vocal following who infaltrate every website going to make them sound popular.they try and make out they are more scottish the you if you disagree with them.ive had a few run in with sepratists but when you confront them by asking policies or will we pay more taxes they try and attack you the alex salmond way .they are just a bunch of little scotlanders with a nazi atitude.the canny scottish public have only voted for the snp as there has been a council tax freeze for the last 5 years

Margaret Pilkington · 10-01-2012, 21:50

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Originally Posted by Mancie

I think it is one of many things that will put them off if it's a straight yes/no vote on totally leaving the UK.. people on here can say what they like about the Scots but they're not known as stupid when it comes to money matters!

I don't think anyone believes that the people of the Scottish nation are stupid when it comes to money matters.
I think the possibility that they would have to re-apply to the EU to gain membership, if that was what they wanted(after all, they might be given some say in the matter....while we poor burgers have to lump it) and doing so would force them into the single currency...might just put them off.

Margaret Pilkington · 10-01-2012, 21:53

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

here we go dinosaur politics you will find if there was a referendum the answer would be no, as most people in scotland and england have relations in each country or descended from each other.the snp have a vocal following who infaltrate every website going to make them sound popular.they try and make out they are more scottish the you if you disagree with them.ive had a few run in with sepratists but when you confront them by asking policies or will we pay more taxes they try and attack you the alex salmond way .they are just a bunch of little scotlanders with a nazi atitude.the canny scottish public have only voted for the snp as there has been a council tax freeze for the last 5 years

Why is it Dinosaur politics then.

I think it has been mentioned before in this thread, politicians only opt for a referendum if they feel they are going to get the answer they want.
I am sure Alex Salmond would not be advocating a referendum if he thought that the answer would be 'NO'.

Neil · 10-01-2012, 21:55

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

I think that you have called it right there Cashy. Hypocrisy is the word, plain and simple.

However, I do think that the Scots should be given a referendum on whether they want to remain a part of the UK. I agree with Cameron that it should be a simple in - out question. This idea of independence 'lite' can never work and will only serve to cause more resentment than there exists at present.

If the Scots want to go, let them, and good riddance to them.

As I posted some time ago, an out vote in a referendum will advance the cause of a referendum on England's membership of the EU, since all treaties will have to be renegotiated once the United Kingdom is no longer United.

If they vote to stay in the UK do you think the Scottish Parliament should be shut down? I do.

Margaret Pilkington · 10-01-2012, 21:57

In a word, YES.
It is an unnecessary expense...and one which could be ditched.

mobertol · 10-01-2012, 22:00

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Originally Posted by Neil

If they vote to stay in the UK do you think the Scottish Parliament should be shut down? I do.

What, after it cost about £195 million to build?!

Margaret Pilkington · 10-01-2012, 22:06

They could always turn it into a Mosque...or executive apartments.

cmonstanley · 10-01-2012, 22:08

a waste of money in my eyes comic book politics a bunch of under raters coining it in.i hate the snp and all what it stands for ..united we stand divided we fall dinosaur politics by taking the country backwards instead of forwards..

ToffeeGuy · 10-01-2012, 23:50

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Originally Posted by Less

The Shetland islands should be made a special case and not included as part of Scotland so we can keep the oil & gas.

The Shetlands will get the option of returning Norwegian rule.

ToffeeGuy · 11-01-2012, 00:06

Hey, just think of the positives for Scottish Independence, 59 MPs would be made unemployed, 41 being Labour (which will no doubt please some people on this forum).

Personally, I'm in favour of Scottish Independence as I own shares in a flag making company.

And I also want independence for the North of England.

accyman · 11-01-2012, 01:15

i think we should have a referndum to see if England wants to be a part of the UK or not

Seems to me just like been part of euorpe Englands primary job is to hand out free stuff to other countries.Maybe if we wernt part of the UK we wouldnt feel obiged to honour the UK's agreements and get the hell out of europe

jaysay · 11-01-2012, 10:08

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Originally Posted by Neil

If they vote to stay in the UK do you think the Scottish Parliament should be shut down? I do.

Think you spot on on Neil, its all well and good giving free this and free the other but if they actually said yes we want independence, most of them know, including Mr Salmon, that the gray train from Westminster would be derailed, and life up north would cease to be subsidies by tax payers from the rest of the UK. I have never understood how we can call our country the United Kingdom as we haven't been that since the onset of the welsh assembly and Scottish Parliament, if your United your all treated the same, which certainly isn't the case now

Acrylic-bob · 11-01-2012, 15:36

If cmonstanley is right and the result of any referendum would be to maintain the union, can we hope then the the Scots would drop the chipiness and the perpetual sense of victimhood?