Tory Hypocrisy?

cashman · 09-01-2012, 23:43

Have seen today Cameron calling fer the jocks to have a referendum on Independence, also seems to think they should have a straight Yes or No, n also relatively quicker than Mr Salmon would like it!. Funny how like the Labour Party,he will not give the British one on the E.U. also i recall someone saying a referendum would take about 2 years to organise, Well according to him,thats unless it happens to be the Jocks.

This smacks of hypocrisy to me, n demonstrates once again to me, how they are all as bad as each other.

Mancie · 10-01-2012, 00:21

I think Cameron is trying to call the SNP's bluff...and yes it does smack of hypocrisy.. the whole of Parliment shoud vote on wether there should be any referendum on Independence..but failing that I hope he is serious and demands a straight yes/no vote.

ToffeeGuy · 10-01-2012, 02:10

The rest of the UK countries should beat the Scots to it and have their own referendum on whether they want Scotland to be part of the Union or not.

Less · 10-01-2012, 02:56

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy

The rest of the UK countries should beat the Scots to it and have their own referendum on whether they want Scotland to be part of the Union or not.

The Shetland islands should be made a special case and not included as part of Scotland so we can keep the oil & gas.

Eric · 10-01-2012, 06:17

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Originally Posted by Mancie

I think Cameron is trying to call the SNP's bluff...and yes it does smack of hypocrisy.. the whole of Parliment shoud vote on wether there should be any referendum on Independence..but failing that I hope he is serious and demands a straight yes/no vote.

It's a smart move. Especially the "yes/no" thing ... "put up, or shut up."

jaysay · 10-01-2012, 09:22

I think he's right to ask for a quick referendum on Scotland, the only thing is it should be open to all the UK. I'm sure if that was the case it would be an overwhelming yes vote, after all if they want free prescriptions, education etc. let them pay for it out of taxed raised in Scotland not on the backs of the rest of the UK and that goes for Wales too

cashman · 10-01-2012, 09:48

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Originally Posted by jaysay

I think he's right to ask for a quick referendum on Scotland, the only thing is it should be open to all the UK. I'm sure if that was the case it would be an overwhelming yes vote, after all if they want free prescriptions, education etc. let them pay for it out of taxed raised in Scotland not on the backs of the rest of the UK and that goes for Wales too

I do not dispute that fact, but that is not the point of the thread,

A point yeh have unsurprisingly chosen to avoid.

jaysay · 10-01-2012, 09:55

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I do not dispute that fact, but that is not the point of the thread,

A point yeh have unsurprisingly chosen to avoid.

No I haven't, I made my thoughts quite clear in the Graham Jones debate about the European Referendum, when I said we should be allowed to decide for ourselves about Europe, still haven't changed my mind, but the scottish issue its different, I think Cameron is calling Salmons bluff and by his reactions it appears he's hit the nail squarely on Salmons thumb

cashman · 10-01-2012, 13:14

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Originally Posted by jaysay

No I haven't, I made my thoughts quite clear in the Graham Jones debate about the European Referendum, when I said we should be allowed to decide for ourselves about Europe, still haven't changed my mind, but the scottish issue its different, I think Cameron is calling Salmons bluff and by his reactions it appears he's hit the nail squarely on Salmons thumb

Call salmons bluff or not,is not what this is all about, I am well aware of what yeh said on the G.J. debate, The point is simple "Cameron" would give the jocks a referendum,but "NOT" us. if that aint hypocrisy i have no idea what the word means.

Gordon Booth · 10-01-2012, 13:16

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Originally Posted by cashman

Call salmons bluff or not,is not what this is all about, I am well aware of what yeh said on the G.J. debate, The point is simple "Cameron" would give the jocks a referendum,but "NOT" us. if that aint hypocrisy i have no idea what the word means.

If you're in Government you only hold a referendum if you're sure you can win it!

cashman · 10-01-2012, 13:19

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If you're in Government you only hold a referendum if you're sure you can win it!

Well aware of that fact also,Don't make it any less Hypocritical.

Eric · 10-01-2012, 14:46

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Well aware of that fact also,Don't make it any less Hypocritical.

You're right ... and what the Scots seem to want is what lotsa folks in England want vis a vis the EU: political, cultural, etc. independence and security, and an economic relationship which works in their favor. The separatistes in la belle province wanted the same thing too. I suppose the modern buzz term for what the jocks want it is "friends with benefits", with the English taxpayer getting a right royal screwing. But your point that Cameron is prepared to give the scots a voice in their future, and at the same time refusing to give that same option to England is well taken.

cashman · 10-01-2012, 16:05

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You're right ... and what the Scots seem to want is what lotsa folks in England want vis a vis the EU: political, cultural, etc. independence and security, and an economic relationship which works in their favor. The separatistes in la belle province wanted the same thing too. I suppose the modern buzz term for what the jocks want it is "friends with benefits", with the English taxpayer getting a right royal screwing. But your point that Cameron is prepared to give the scots a voice in their future, and at the same time refusing to give that same option to England is well taken.

To my way of thinking Eric, one of the big problems oer here is, many are prepared to slag the opposition on these issues, but when their own lot do the same,silence is golden, cos they aint got the balls,

this problem is a thing "All Parties" are of the same mind of, The fact people aint got the backbone to say "Hey i aint having that" when it's there own lot,is a sad indictment of todays society!

Acrylic-bob · 10-01-2012, 16:44

I think that you have called it right there Cashy. Hypocrisy is the word, plain and simple.

However, I do think that the Scots should be given a referendum on whether they want to remain a part of the UK. I agree with Cameron that it should be a simple in - out question. This idea of independence 'lite' can never work and will only serve to cause more resentment than there exists at present.

If the Scots want to go, let them, and good riddance to them.

As I posted some time ago, an out vote in a referendum will advance the cause of a referendum on England's membership of the EU, since all treaties will have to be renegotiated once the United Kingdom is no longer United.

Margaret Pilkington · 10-01-2012, 19:55

And if Scotland wants to stay in the EU it will have to re-apply as a new member, and as such it would be forced to adopt the Euro as currency....now isn't that just enought to put them off?