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derekgas · 11-06-2008, 19:14

I still say there is little difference between the two main parties, the main ones being helping the rich to get richer, and neither party are slow at helping thier own members to a big slice of the cake.

cmonstanley · 11-06-2008, 19:27

the thing is about the free milk ,not every rich parent is a responsible parent at least when the children got free milk it was going to the child .the responibility of the goverments who gave the free milk was the welfare of the child poor or rich that was in its care for the length of time the child was at school but thatcher and her selfish thinking removed this responsibility and also made cuts in school meal provisions.so much for the caring tories..

andrewb · 11-06-2008, 19:29

Labour removed milk provision before Thatcher though. So much for caring socialists!

Bonnyboy · 11-06-2008, 21:02

Labour removed the milk provision to secondary school children in the late 60’s ( Wilson )

Thatcher removed the provision completely.

blazey · 11-06-2008, 22:19

I'm sure they coped without milk. I'm pretty sure I could have got through the school day without milk, and I'm not exactly from a well off family.

Has anyone really suffered because of the cut? I don't know anyone who brings up how terribly they suffered when they milk was cut.

cmonstanley · 11-06-2008, 22:20

thats because there was a medical study saying milk was beneficial for under elevens and over that age if you had brittle bones etc milk wasnt that beneficial...picking on little kids is alright then...................
thatcher the milk snatcher...your saying tories dont care about childrens welfare.what about the goverments initiative every child counts do you not agree with that?

cmonstanley · 11-06-2008, 22:21

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Originally Posted by blazey

I'm sure they coped without milk. I'm pretty sure I could have got through the school day without milk, and I'm not exactly from a well off family.

Has anyone really suffered because of the cut? I don't know anyone who brings up how terribly they suffered when they milk was cut.

how would you do you know every child in britain?

blazey · 11-06-2008, 22:27

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

how would you do you know every child in britain?

I don't know every child in Britain, but if it had been as serious issue as you lot are claiming it to be then where are the victims of this 'crime' against humanity!? How DARE Thatcher withdraw free milk from schools!

I'm sure one of you would've dug up some statistically evidence of the increase in brittle boned children by now if it was that much of a drastic issue. Show me the evidence, and I will humbly offer you my apologies for making a small fuss about this allegedly huge problem.

andrewb · 11-06-2008, 22:29

Everybody in my primary school had milk. :]

blazey · 11-06-2008, 22:35

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Originally Posted by andrewb

Everybody in my primary school had milk. :]

Indeed! Also, before anyone points out that we paid for it, I just asked my mum about it who said she paid less than £4 a TERM for it. Generally there are three terms a year with what, 34 weeks in total?

Now correct me if I am wrong... but that is hardly anything a week

Bonnyboy · 11-06-2008, 22:35

Think there was a fair amount of Rickets in children back in those days, the milk was preventative I think, not sure. Think it was seen as a way of giving the kids calcium, which in turn was seen to be needed more by the under 11’s……may well be wrong

Whatever the cause it was given freely was stopped by Thatcher when she was Education Secretary to Heath

andrewb · 11-06-2008, 22:37

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

thats because there was a medical study saying milk was beneficial for under elevens and over that age if you had brittle bones etc milk wasnt that beneficial...picking on little kids is alright then...................
thatcher the milk snatcher...your saying tories dont care about childrens welfare.what about the goverments initiative every child counts do you not agree with that?

What ever happened to giving parents responsibility? We're in a mess today because government thinks it can take all responsibility from peoples lives and just rely on the state for everything.

cmonstanley · 11-06-2008, 22:40

see your showing your ignorance now everybody knows there was poverty in the eighties.miners, long term unemployed ,people who forced out of their jobs by thatcher economics you havent got a clue.thatcher battered the working class humilated them made drastic cuts in the health service ,transport system, schools,etc .i havent seen such investment in schools etc than i have now in my life time.when we went to school you had damp, ancient desks etc nowadays you have new school buildings and top class facalities....you dont know how lucky your generation has been..would you have been able to afford to go to university in the thatcher years i dont think so..

andrewb · 11-06-2008, 22:45

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

see your showing your ignorance now everybody knows there was poverty in the eighties.miners, long term unemployed ,people who forced out of their jobs by thatcher economics you havent got a clue.thatcher battered the working class humilated them made drastic cuts in the health service ,transport system, schools,etc .i havent seen such investment in schools etc than i have now in my life time.when we went to school you had damp, ancient desks etc nowadays you have new school buildings and top class facalities....you dont know how lucky your generation has been..would you have been able to afford to go to university in the thatcher years i dont think so..

Since Labour have put the price up THREE TIMES as much to go to university, and threaten to increase it to SEVEN TIMES, I think I can safely say I would have been better able to go to University before this government were in office.

It's funny how she 'battered the working class'. Do you really think she'd have got in, three times, with massive landslides, if the whole of the working class were against her? Just tell me exactly which class were able to buy their own homes, for the first time ever, and get on the housing ladder? When I go around Hull, Goole, I can see lovely houses that have been purchased under right to buy.

Where the heck do you think the money for the NHS, Education, Police, came during the Blair period? It came from Thatcher economics, because she took the hard decisions which hurt short term, but long term I am glad you acknowledge they have done a world of good allowing us to invest in vital services.

Eric · 11-06-2008, 22:49

Well you can't say that English politics is boring ...

And in a democracy, any party can be punished at the polls. In Canada's 1993 general election the ruling conservatives, the oldest political party in the country, managed to win only two seats ... reduced from a majority to almost nothing. Now that's democracy at work.