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[banjoman]

Originally Posted by blazey

both agreed that if we were in a position of governance we would both try and represent everyone.

I agree. It doesnt matter who thought up a good idea, if its right to do then do it.

However sometimes it could be difficult to represent everyone or even the majority. The big one would be Europe...In to play a bigger part in world politics, financial support etc ..or Out and retain local control, more independance etc..I expect the "majority" would have an opinion but not an informed one. Isnt this why we elected our MPs though, to make the right decisions for us ?

[andrewb]

I've been avoiding this thread because frankly the original post is quite pathetic. Luckily sensible members of the forum have steered the conversation in a somewhat more structured fashion.

Thankfully I am not old enough to have been alive in the 1970's but a lot of you are. We had a 3 day working week. Unelected union bosses were bringing the whole of manufacturing industry to a standstill, stopping every housewife, every child, every honest citizen from having the vital power they need to go about their daily lives.

The economy was in a dire state, inflation was incredibly high, they thought you could solve money problems by printing more. The government couldn't do anything, it didn't have any control of the unions at all.

In stepped Thatcher who had the guts to make a hard decision. She gave the power to the decent, honest trade union member who didn't want to go on strike, in contrast to the trade union bosses that sought to bring this country to a standstill. They were invading the sovereignty of our British Parliament. She sorted our inflationary problems, yes by temporarily increasing them, but massive economy changes have that affect. Look at what it achieved, what people have today that they didn't have then, I can't remember a blackout lasting more than an evening in my entire lifetime. Our economy was incredibly successful after her reforms, the money was created for Blair to pump into education, the NHS, the police. It is just a shame that the money has been, in the most part, wasted.

No, she wasn't everybody's cup of tea. Yes, she went about things very abrasively, but she did what was right for our country.

Mancie if you're looking for somebody to blame over University fees, look no further than the current government who have introduced top-up fees making it incredibly more expensive for me to attend University. Look no further than the current government who want to remove the cap, so I could be looking at paying upwards of £7,000 a year to get a degree level education.

As for the Conservatives today, its a different kettle of fish, tackling a different set of problems. I wish we could move in progress, forward rather than constantly having to talk about the past.

This is not 'Tory Propaganda'. I don't know about anyone else, but I air my views, if you don't like them, that's fine, but I am just as entitled as anybody else. I'll defend to the death anyone's right to a viewpoint.

[banjoman]

Andrew, you mention Maggie, but since then I dont think the conservatives have had a leader or anyone within their ranks to compare. Say what you want about Blair, but he had the "gravitas" as a world leader, something Gordon doesnt have. I think this country is crying out for a true leader who has the guts to make a decision as you put it and do whats right not necessarily short term popular.

But who is it going to be ? All nowadays are faceless and the same as everyone else. I`m still waiting for someone who you think "yes he/she could do it".

[blazey]

I think David Cameron can do it <3

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by banjoman

Andrew, you mention Maggie, but since then I dont think the conservatives have had a leader or anyone within their ranks to compare. Say what you want about Blair, but he had the "gravitas" as a world leader, something Gordon doesnt have. I think this country is crying out for a true leader who has the guts to make a decision as you put it and do whats right not necessarily short term popular.

But who is it going to be ? All nowadays are faceless and the same as everyone else. I`m still waiting for someone who you think "yes he/she could do it".

I agree, I think in many ways Blair was a good leader. When I first saw Cameron speak I thought he was the one to be party leader. Whether he can translate this into being a good Prime Minister, I suppose time will tell if the country were to give him a chance.

At the moment we have the 42 Days Detention bill going on (there's a debate and vote tomorrow if anyone's interested). The majority of the population are in favour of increasing detention without charge from 28 to 42 days. Cameron and the shadow home secretary David Davis have been very vocally against it. I honestly think this shows true leadership. To stand up and call it when they believe our civil liberties and freedoms are being eroded with no justification. Not because it's going to win them votes, but because they think it is the right thing to do.

[cmonstanley]

thatcher the leader who sold off all the family silver and made billions for the few and destroyed the infrastucture of a country yea great leader thatcher the milk snatcher.taking free milk off the school children the mark of a great leader .thatcher the champion of the selfish.unions and strikes were not confined to just britain it was a sign of the time in the world.thatcher who used the police for her own political gains nothing short of facism.she created the boom and bust that we have now.your saying thatcher was good for this country your havin a laugh.its time to take stock if you dont like what new labour are doing join them and change them, its time to change them from the inside.i will never be a tory or a pretend tory.im not rich or selfish enough.

[onlyme]

Erm how many years ago was Thatcher? Nearly 20? Times change as do parties. Labour are not the Labour from the era and I doubt the rest of the parties have the same ideas either.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

thatcher the leader who sold off all the family silver and made billions for the few and destroyed the infrastucture of a country yea great leader thatcher the milk snatcher.taking free milk off the school children the mark of a great leader .thatcher the champion of the selfish.unions and strikes were not confined to just britain it was a sign of the time in the world.thatcher who used the police for her own political gains nothing short of facism.she created the boom and bust that we have now.your saying thatcher was good for this country your havin a laugh.its time to take stock if you dont like what new labour are doing join them and change them, its time to change them from the inside.i will never be a tory or a pretend tory.im not rich or selfish enough.

Milk stealer? Why should people who can afford to pay be given free milk? The socialist Labour government got rid of it for secondary schools, why are you not criticising them? In Hull Labour abolished Universal Free School Meals. Too right, why should somebody earning £100,000 a year get their sons and daughters meals and milk paid for? It makes sense to direct money to the people that need it.

I'm not rich and I'm definitely not selfish.Thank-you for judging me.

[accyman]

andrewb please refrain from talking about the 70's if the only information you have is from google as i simply cant pay any attention to what you have to say on the 70's seen as you wernt even born

its a bit like a 18 year old talking about how great or bad woodstock was

im sure this labour govenment has more than enough cockups that you can throw in mancie's face that you have actualy lived through


just sayin the 70's wernt as bad as your post makes out because as far as im concerned they were a damn sight better than the 80's , 90's and even present day but then again im going off the fact that we had hot summers in summer and snow knee deep in winter which we dont get anymore

i was only 10 after all ;-)

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by accyman

andrewb please refrain from talking about the 70's if the only information you have is from google as i simply cant pay any attention to what you have to say on the 70's seen as you wernt even born

its a bit like a 18 year old talking about how great or bad woodstock was

im sure this labour govenment has more than enough cockups that you can throw in mancie's face that you have actualy lived through


just sayin the 70's wernt as bad as your post makes out because as far as im concerned they were a damn sight better than the 80's , 90's and even present day but then again im going off the fact that we had hot summers in summer and snow knee deep in winter which we dont get anymore

I wish we had snow like the 90's I have truely missed out if it was even deeper before then.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by andrewb

I've been avoiding this thread because frankly the original post is quite pathetic.

Let me remind you of the original.
A few people on this web seem to think this a chance to propagate their politics.. Andreweb and Blazey.. I think it's out of order.
Go preach your lies somewhere else... had enough of you lot in the 80's... idiots.

You have been accused... would you like to answer ? or do you still insist on rambling about your political view ?

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by onlyme

Erm how many years ago was Thatcher? Nearly 20? Times change as do parties. Labour are not the Labour from the era and I doubt the rest of the parties have the same ideas either.

but the tories are still full of the super rich who want to make a quick buck on the back of somebody else.i bet if you went to a tory conference and they knew your background they would stick their nose up at you.thats like saying a murderer has done his time he's ok now he wont do it again. most offenders always re-offend.the tory party will never change.they will always be for the big rich exploiter.

[blazey]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Let me remind you of the original.
A few people on this web seem to think this a chance to propagate their politics.. Andreweb and Blazey.. I think it's out of order.
Go preach your lies somewhere else... had enough of you lot in the 80's... idiots.

You have been accused... would you like to answer ? or do you still insist on rambling about your political view ?

Well you rant about your political views in your signature so we can see it every time you post so why not us?! If anything, you copied off me by doing it!?

[accyman]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

but the tories are still full of the super rich who want to make a quick buck on the back of somebody else.i bet if you went to a tory conference and they knew your background they would stick their nose up at you.thats like saying a murderer has done his time he's ok now he wont do it again. most offenders always re-offend.the tory party will never change.they will always be for the big rich exploiter.

lol at least you didnt say tories are the pedophiles of polotics coz they always re offend

but i like you anology

[cmonstanley]

anyway i think we should ignore blazey because she is just a plastic tory .shes not a real one she keeps telling us shes not rich enoughto be a real tory you have to have assets over £900,000