Tough Policing - Page 2

WINGY · 25-04-2005, 18:29

A good thing in theory, but if the police move them on, won't they just go somewhere else. The coppice bowling green is clear of idiots, and so is Arden hall, but i can assure you there are groups of them down my backstreet drinking at all hours of the weekend!!. It's pretty awfull to see teenagers walking the streets with cans of super strength on a saturday afternoon.

Uncle Mick · 25-04-2005, 20:28

Just a question, what if their parents can`t afford to pay? In my youth if the police had brought me back to my house my dad ( or even worse my mum) would have given me a right pasting. I presume the parents of these odious cretins don`t give a toss what their little darlings are up to

Bagpuss · 25-04-2005, 20:29

This is very encouraging and for every scrote that is dealt with gets a cheer from me. I thought that was excellent making him walk home in the early hours they should have taken his shoes off him before setting him free.
I wouldn't say that Peel Ward has been a no-go area for drunken yobs for 12 months but it is quieter at weekends. As they are still able to purchase alcohol at the Off Licence not 200 yards from your home and very annoyingly Netto who don't give a toss, it's a question of where to do the drinking, the favourites after Arden Hall and the Coppice seem to be back streets and Oakhill Park so its a case of being moved on and not stopping the source, but it's a start.

Margaret Pilkington · 25-04-2005, 20:47

Maybe these yobs have moved on to the Marsden Street area......Factory bottom......my dear old mum is constantly disturbed by loud mouthed youths drinking and getting up to no good in this area.
She says that there is drug dealing and cars screeching about at 2 and 3 in the morning......a Beat bobby giving out fines would be welcome by her.

Neil · 25-04-2005, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss

its a case of being moved on and not stopping the source, but it's a start.

I think it is not much of a start.
Moving them on just means someone else well get the problem.

Bagpuss · 25-04-2005, 21:38

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Originally Posted by Neil

I think it is not much of a start.
Moving them on just means someone else well get the problem.

Of course someone else gets the problem but at least a few of them will be £80 lighter in their pocket.

Busman747 · 25-04-2005, 22:38

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Originally Posted by Graham Jones

Under Labours new crackdown laws, drug dens, drug dealers are next etc.. We are after info. New laws on crack houses and drug dens put criminals second and residents first, defence lawyers have no right of objection to police and resident concerns for search warrants now. No, its straight in through the front door and a 3 month possession order to the Police with the landlord losing his keys and rent.

Sounds good Graham.....but do you have any info on the "Marijuana Factory" in Clayton? The police staked out the house over a long period earlier in the year and finally raided it and arrested one individual!! He is a known druggie but insisted he was just paid to water the plants....and no action was taken against him. Is it OK to gain employment by looking after illegal substances as long as you don't profit (except for a weekly wage?)

Neil · 26-04-2005, 00:32

It would appear so Busman. When I read that story in the paper I could not believe what I was reading. We need tough punishment to fit the crime. What do you think would have happened to him in Thailand?

park381 · 26-04-2005, 07:30

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Originally Posted by Neil

It is about time the Police spread this to the whole of the Borough. We get large groups congregating in Rhyddings Park Oswaldtwistle (30-40 is common) in the evening especially at weekend. They damage the kiddies play area and smash beer bottles etc.

Thats true, you can see them going up there with their Adsa bags & rucksacks full of bottles. The kiddies play area is a meeting place for them, and when HBC put the light in there, they can have a party, and see what they are drinking.

park381 · 26-04-2005, 07:46

The police were given these extra powers on ASB way back in 2003, why has it taken so long for them to start using the powers ?

garinda · 26-04-2005, 07:51

You know l disagree with you on this one.

l think the lighting will protect the new play area. They will be too visible to enjoy themselves there.

True, they'll only go somewhere else. We.ve had a load of them down at he benches at the nature reserve. Nesting birds have been disturbed as well as old roosters like me. The police have been very good though.

PurpleLass · 26-04-2005, 11:23

I think the lights will be a good idea in Rhyddings. These scum scuttle around in dark places where they can hide, a bit like rats and woodlice. They won't find it so appealing if it's brightly lit and they can be seen easily. Trouble is they'll all go down to the nature reserve and make the problem worse there.

I know it's seen as a soft option but there should be more things provided for young people - theatre groups, youth clubs, football clubs, dj schools etc. I know some of these things exist but they should be bigger and better promoted so more youths get involved. Another way, and again I realise is that it's seen as a soft option, is to engage them in doing something for the area that they will then be committed to protecting - planting a garden, creating some artwork, etc. I have seen it work in other areas but I realise that it's viewed as the leftwing namby pamby approach but let's face it - the tough police approach doesn't solve the problem it just moves it elsewhere.

Neil · 26-04-2005, 11:37

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Originally Posted by PurpleLass

but let's face it - the tough police approach doesn't solve the problem it just moves it elsewhere.

I am still waiting to see tough police action in Oswaldtwistle.

cashman · 26-04-2005, 11:47

don't think its a soft option purplelass there was more of those things when i was young,they seemed to acheive summat.was far less vandals and beanheads about,still happened but no where near the extent it does today,but first and foremost to me respect starts with upbringing.

pendy · 26-04-2005, 12:30

The police have a hard job, and being understaffed doesn't help. It's not just the Judiciary who cock things up, the Crown Prosecution Service throw a lot out before it even comes to Court. There is no fully manned police station in Accrington. There was years ago, when there were not the drug/drink problems that there are now.

Perhaps Councillor Jones would like to tell us where the money is coming from to pay for all the extra police when/if we get a Labour Council? - Council Tax, of course, is the answer, and a huge rise is the solution to it all - except how much would be wasted on "consultation" and "administration? I think this is where we came in .....