Tough Policing - Page 3

Tealeaf · 26-04-2005, 12:32

Tough policing is fine; what about tough sentencing? Here is something that you won't find in Labour's election manifesto:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFr...585685,00.html

I wonder what Councillor Jones has to say about this?

cashman · 26-04-2005, 12:45

read it- if thats the case tough policing is about as much use as a fart in a spacesuit.

park381 · 26-04-2005, 13:16

At the moment the yobs gather on the bottom bowling green in rhyddings park, because of the light from the street lamp at the corner of Malvern Ave.

park381 · 26-04-2005, 13:24

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Originally Posted by garinda

You know l disagree with you on this one.
l think the lighting will protect the new play area. They will be too visible to enjoy themselves there

Ay I think we have discussed this one at length, and agreed to disagree. We will wait and see when the light is installed as to the effect it has. I hope you are correct for the sake of all the residents living around the park, and in full view of the play area.

Margaret Pilkington · 26-04-2005, 19:33

They put lights in the park in Clayton........if you go into the park in a morning you can see the discarded lager cans........alcopop bottles and pizza and fast food rubbish.
It appears that yobs congregate there at night.......it certainly is not a place I would be happy for kids to play in.

park381 · 26-04-2005, 20:01

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

They put lights in the park in Clayton........if you go into the park in a morning you can see the discarded lager cans........alcopop bottles and pizza and fast food rubbish.

I and other residents know that will happen Margaret, but there is an element of people that think the light (1 No 100w globe on an 8 metre column) will solve all the problems, but they won't listen.

Acrylic-bob · 29-04-2005, 13:54

According to Graham Jones, crime in Hyndburn has decreased since New labour decided to get tough with criminals (and woe betide anyone who disagrees with him).

How odd then to pick up this weekend’s copy of The Accrington Observer and Times and read, with mounting Horror, the following:

Page 1. “ A Grandad had his head split open in a terrifying attack when he tried to stop a mob of fifty teenagers smashing up his neighbours home.”

Page 2. “Teachers and pupils of Broadfield School in Fielding Lane, Oswaldtwistle, are taking a stand after thugs broke a school gate, poured milk over the headteacher’s car kicked felt off the roof and left dozens of beer cans in the grounds”

Page 4 “A banned driver caught behind the wheel of his wife’s car was driving while in breach of two disqualifications, and without insurance”

Page 5 “Cruel vandals kicked a hen to death and threw its nest, containing twelve eggs over a wall after breaking into a chicken pen in Great Harwood”

Page 5 (again) Peter Cunliffe has appeared before Burnley magistrates accused of raping a 14 year old. The defendant is charged with making threats to kill, two counts of assault by penetration, two allegations of rape, assault causing actual bodily harm, abduction and attempted abduction.”

Page 5 (yet again) Banned driver caught on CCTV. Steven Leggat was caught behind the wheel on consecutive days the first while leaving a garage forecourt without paying. The day he should have been in court for the first offence he was caught leaving another garage forecourt without paying. Legatt, who has six previous convictions for driving while disqualified, was given 160 days in jail.

Page 7 On Ormerod Street, which Cllr Jones believes to be a safe area – “Violence erupted in an Accrington street when an argument between two youths boiled over into a full-scale brawl involving 20 men. Apparently the “ethnic minority team” is dealing with inquiries.

Page 7 (again) “A man suffered a fractured jaw, a broken arm, broken ribs and facial bruising when he was attacked after being lured into Gatty Park. Apparently the man was unconscious for two to three hours after the attack and had the night been colder he could well have died!”

That is just the main articles. There is in addition to all of the above, twenty three and a half column inches of court appearances and twelve column inches of reported thefts and arson.

And that is just this week Councillor! "Tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime", or just talking tough?

Sparkologist · 29-04-2005, 14:55

With reference to Graham Jones' first post in the thread, "Tough Policing," can someone please explain why the post has been deleted. I thought the thread in praise of the police and their tougher application of the law was well written and extremely valid.
The only bit of the post that I didn't like was the last couple of sentences when it meandered into the realms of party political broadcast saying what would hypothetically happen if or when the Labour group take control of the local council.

Why the deleted post? Has a dummy spitting exercise taken place here?

cashman · 29-04-2005, 14:58

scroll through the old observors in the public libary graham go back 3 or 4 decades,there was crime then theres always been crime but tell me honestly if you dare there was very little violent crime in comparison with the last 10 years or so.theres your facts.

WINGY · 29-04-2005, 15:12

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Originally Posted by Sparkologist

With reference to Graham Jones' first post in the thread, "Tough Policing," can someone please explain why the post has been deleted. I thought the thread in praise of the police and their tougher application of the law was well written and extremely valid.
The only bit of the post that I didn't like was the last couple of sentences when it meandered into the realms of party political broadcast saying what would hypothetically happen if or when the Labour group take control of the local council.

Why the deleted post? Has a dummy spitting exercise taken place here?

Well spoted Sparkie, your right it has been deleted, and by mr jones himself at that!
I wonder why???

Roy · 29-04-2005, 15:21

Isn't that annoying, I hope I don't have to bring in the evil "NO EDITS ALLOWED" function of accyweb again... Doing a search on Grahams posts reveal another one that has been edited out. A good idea to use the quote function when replying, thus capturing the posts in case people decide to change there minds later on!

ossyclogger · 29-04-2005, 15:25

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Originally Posted by pendy

The police have a hard job, and being understaffed doesn't help. It's not just the Judiciary who cock things up, the Crown Prosecution Service throw a lot out before it even comes to Court .....

For Crown Prosecution Service read Criminal Protection Service

cashman · 29-04-2005, 15:28

well what a surprise,would have thought that one who quotes joe strummer would not cut and run,still lifes full of surprises.

Sparkologist · 29-04-2005, 15:28

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Originally Posted by Roy

A good idea to use the quote function when replying, thus capturing the posts in case people decide to change there minds later on!

You mean like this, Royski?

If we were to quote a post, lest it be deleted, we would incur the wrath of our resident virtual Plod, who rightly so has requested quite politely that we do not fill up server space by quoting previous posts wholesale.
In this instance the thread starting post was quite long. If I were to write a post of similar size it would probably take me an hour or more to compose and type up.

WillowTheWhisp · 29-04-2005, 15:46

You've got a good point there Sparky.

How very annoying that someone isn't prepared to stand by what they originally said. Sort of reminds you of certain other political figures somehow though doesn't it?

It really doesn't look good Graham. When you first came on here I really admired the way you were willing to discuss things and stand up for your point of view.