Town Centre Changes

[Margaret Pilkington]

Less, this man reads what he wants to see...not what is actually said in posts. He already has his opinion of us lowly Accringtonian mortals.

[GEaston]

There is one thing I provide for your community. A focal point about which you can collectively rant.

Take Marge the other day for example, she and a few others cloaked themselves while searching the internet for me. I can see the glee at her revelations to the forum of my past. Alas for her there is nothing salacious to reveal there and the conclusions were and remain misguided. Did however allow you to rest your broomstick for the afternoon. Remains the case though that your focus on me doesn't help the town much.

To the actual thread topic, maybe a few questions might assist:

1) Who's recently sat down with Accrington's town planner Rob Gregorjevs. If so what came of it? He seems like a reasonable bloke, works in the Market Hall, and is open to meeting folk. Why not talk to him?

2) What about Dave Welsby? Same question.

3) The council meets with key stakeholders in the town on a regular basis. Who here is represented? Seems you're all keen to voice your negativity towards me, why not channel it at the people who are charged with the town's upkeep?

As you've got the t-shirt can you tick boxes 1-3 ?

[cashman]

The planners n such people right or wrong are at least trying to do summat positive fer accy, unlike yerself who is only interested in making money,blowing yer own trumpet, no matter what bull yeh put on here it don't wash wi me.

[Less]

Originally Posted by GEaston

There is one thing I provide for your community. A focal point about which you can collectively rant.

What would we do without you?

Our lives would be meaningless, having managed without you for so long it really is good to have someone onsite to give our lives meaning.

By the way there have been others of similar ilk, they come they stay a short while find that their initial reason for joining the site has been sussed, in your case it was I suspect to glean free local knowledge about properties up for auction, much cheaper than employing someone to do the job. The time you soured the pot was when you attempted to tell us we do nowt' of value, say nowt' of value and know nowt' of value compared with you.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by GEaston

There is one thing I provide for your community. A focal point about which you can collectively rant.

Take Marge the other day for example, she and a few others cloaked themselves while searching the internet for me. I can see the glee at her revelations to the forum of my past. Alas for her there is nothing salacious to reveal there and the conclusions were and remain misguided. Did however allow you to rest your broomstick for the afternoon. Remains the case though that your focus on me doesn't help the town much.

To the actual thread topic, maybe a few questions might assist:

1) Who's recently sat down with Accrington's town planner Rob Gregorjevs. If so what came of it? He seems like a reasonable bloke, works in the Market Hall, and is open to meeting folk. Why not talk to him?

2) What about Dave Welsby? Same question.

3) The council meets with key stakeholders in the town on a regular basis. Who here is represented? Seems you're all keen to voice your negativity towards me, why not channel it at the people who are charged with the town's upkeep?

As you've got the t-shirt can you tick boxes 1-3 ?

I hope this isn't me you are referring to(that would be MargaretR - an entirely different member)....I have never searched anything to find out about you....you are not of much interest to me.
Your interests in this fine northern town are purely business - that means you are in it to make a profit......not for philanthropic purposes.(nothing wrong in making money, especially if you employ local people as you so often tell us)
We can exercise our democratic rights when it comes to local elections, but that, for many of us, is where our influence ends.
We cannot compete with the likes of TESCO.

Meeting with the town planner - when you are just a person who lives in the town and uses the services...but do not trade...well, our opinions count for little.(no money in it = no mileage for user consultation)
Many of the big decisions about the town centre are 'rubber stamped' and regardless of public opinion will go ahead.
The proposed new bus station is a prime example of this.

Of course you won't see any of this as constructive criticism, you will perceive it as whining and whingeing....because it pleases you to do so.

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by GEaston

There is one thing I provide for your community. A focal point about which you can collectively rant.

Take Marge the other day for example, she and a few others cloaked themselves while searching the internet for me. I can see the glee at her revelations to the forum of my past. Alas for her there is nothing salacious to reveal there and the conclusions were and remain misguided. Did however allow you to rest your broomstick for the afternoon. Remains the case though that your focus on me doesn't help the town much.

To the actual thread topic, maybe a few questions might assist:

1) Who's recently sat down with Accrington's town planner Rob Gregorjevs. If so what came of it? He seems like a reasonable bloke, works in the Market Hall, and is open to meeting folk. Why not talk to him?

2) What about Dave Welsby? Same question.

3) The council meets with key stakeholders in the town on a regular basis. Who here is represented? Seems you're all keen to voice your negativity towards me, why not channel it at the people who are charged with the town's upkeep?

As you've got the t-shirt can you tick boxes 1-3 ?

1) Thats one of the reasons we have councillors
2) Same answer
3) Again if you'd care to actually read a few threads you would perhaps notice we have done. In fact if you look closely you may see one or two councillors reading the threads, unfortunately when it comes to the town centre they stopped engaging because they could not find arguments to support bench removal, bus upheaval, drunks, beggars, wallpapered shop fronts and jerry built paving of the pedestrian areas.

And please stop using that name, they've both asked you politely, be a man for god's sake, respect the ladies wishes, it's something people in the North just do!

[Margaret Pilkington]

Guinness, this man will not listen to you. He respects nothing...other than, perhaps, his own views.
By calling Margaret R and myself, Marge it must give him some feeling of control or power.......and to me that is just sad.
Calling us both Marge leads to confusion, because there is only him who knows which one of us he is on about - unless he posts a quote, that is.

I have asked politely...he has not acceded to my request.
He seems to think, that I have, in some way disrespected him...and sees this as my punishment. (sigh)

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Local politics has done for us too...especially the politics of Power - Think TESCO.

Why does Tesco always get it on here?
What about Asda, Kwik Save, Aldi, Lidle, Netto, Homebase, B&Q, Currys, Comet, PC World and all the others. Do they not have their place in the end of Accrington?

[cashman]

Don't get it off me. in fact i reckon the biggest factor now is the internet.

[Margaret Pilkington]

well Neil, they didn't have much clout in town did they?
Aldi........well, that has only recently come to the fore......Asda....that is a good walk out of town...especially if you have no transport and a baby in a buggy with a weeks shopping to do.
We haven't had Kwik-Save for quite some time.
If you want something from Curry's it is a damned long walk.

And didn't TESCO bung the council some wonga.....on the understanding that the bus station was nearer to them.

Of course the internet has had an influence, but then so did the pedestrianisation of Broadway,the fact that both the market and the market hall are a travesty...and do not deserve to be called markets...and the fact that the town trades on it being a 'Floral Market Town'.

The place has been left to rot...it is no wonder people resort to the internet.

Shopping is a tactile experience, and experience of sights and smells....that is where the internet cannot compare.

Other places have vibrant markets, diverse shops.
Why might this be?

Bury is in the shadow of Manchester, but it manages to hold its own very nicely...with some good independent shops and a thriving market.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Neil

Why does Tesco always get it on here?
What about Asda, Kwik Save, Aldi, Lidle, Netto, Homebase, B&Q, Currys, Comet, PC World and all the others. Do they not have their place in the end of Accrington?

dunno but theres only one asda in hyndburn or aldi it just seems tesco are taking over.

mind you teh nexttime HBC or LCC want to take a bribe can they at least think bigger than a mini roundabout please ..

and i dont mean a large roundabout for gods sake

[lancsdave]

It's very easy to pass judgement when you live thousands of miles away. Try living here day to day and running a business here day today and see if the same people you put up on a pedestal actually work that way

You seem to have forgotten how the system works. Every 2, 4 or 5 years the people in politics are interested in your views. Every 2, 4 or 5 years they totaly ignore them after being elected.

Still as long as you are throwing money around it's the biggest voice anybody can have

The town centre is a filthy mess and and the people who should lead by example don't give a monkey's

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by GEaston

There is one thing I provide for your community. A focal point about which you can collectively rant.

Take Marge the other day for example, she and a few others cloaked themselves while searching the internet for me. I can see the glee at her revelations to the forum of my past. Alas for her there is nothing salacious to reveal there and the conclusions were and remain misguided. Did however allow you to rest your broomstick for the afternoon. Remains the case though that your focus on me doesn't help the town much.

To the actual thread topic, maybe a few questions might assist:

1) Who's recently sat down with Accrington's town planner Rob Gregorjevs. If so what came of it? He seems like a reasonable bloke, works in the Market Hall, and is open to meeting folk. Why not talk to him?

2) What about Dave Welsby? Same question.

3) The council meets with key stakeholders in the town on a regular basis. Who here is represented? Seems you're all keen to voice your negativity towards me, why not channel it at the people who are charged with the town's upkeep?

As you've got the t-shirt can you tick boxes 1-3 ?

Apart from elected members, the people who make the decisions about the town and do influence councilors don't actually live in the borough, which to me can be counter productive, if you lived here your decisions would have more focus on what you want, not those of an outsider

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Apart from elected members, the people who make the decisions about the town and do influence councilors don't actually live in the borough, which to me can be counter productive, if you lived here your decisions would have more focus on what you want, not those of an outsider

Spot on John

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

...Asda....that is a good walk out of town...especially if you have no transport and a baby in a buggy with a weeks shopping to do.

There are always taxis outside Asda taking people with no cars home with their shopping. Taxi's can be cheaper than buses now if you have a couple of kids.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

And didn't TESCO bung the council some wonga.....on the understanding that the bus station was nearer to them.

I think you're talking about Town and Country Planning Act 1990 Section 106 monies which is something that is often paid. Wiki kindly explains it here Town and Country Planning Act 1990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia