Trouble In The Streets - Page 2

Debbie J · 24-05-2005, 17:36

Having read the posts on this thread I have to agree that "kids" will go for the cheaper option. I.E drink on the streets instead of flics. But there is no excuse for vandalism or bad manners. My 7yr old has been bullied mercilessly because I have brought him up to say please & thank you. when other kids hear him being praised for it instead of copying him they call him names. Am I wrong to instill manners? Today I heard a young boy of about 10 ask a man in the park if his dog would bite, the man replied yes, so the lad kicked a stone at the dog and hurled abuse at the man!!! Is there really any need for this sort of behaviour? I think not. My 7 yr old has come out with all kinds of bad language but after I have explained what the words mean & why its wrong to say them he hasn't repeated them(not in my hearing anyway) why can't other parents do the same? the world would be a much nicer friendlier place then.

lindsay ormerod · 24-05-2005, 22:48

Debbie J;I agree, a lot of this is to do with the upbringing of the children;my 9 year old doesn't swear ,if she repeats anything she has heard on the street she gets corrected: I simply tell her that that language is not acceptable and that only people with a limited vocabulary use it. She understands that.I will not tolerate her being rude;just as my parents didn't tolerate it with me.I think we have skipped a generation and the chavs have got in!!

cashman · 24-05-2005, 23:47

debbiej and lindsey,lovely to see how you teach your kids,a refreshing change to some of the clowns i come across

wellbeing · 24-02-2006, 22:51

the wardens do an excellent job there isnt many left now but nobody seems to care.there are 3 left all the rest have had to get new jobs which is unfare because they put effort into it!we miss them already have you seen the state of the streets now im sorry but britcliffe u have made a big mistake.ok we have pcsos but thet dont report flytips and abandoend cars bring back the wardens

cashman · 25-02-2006, 00:27

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Originally Posted by wellbeing

the wardens do an excellent job there isnt many left now but nobody seems to care.there are 3 left all the rest have had to get new jobs which is unfare because they put effort into it!we miss them already have you seen the state of the streets now im sorry but britcliffe u have made a big mistake.ok we have pcsos but thet dont report flytips and abandoend cars bring back the wardens

not being funny wellbeing! but i would say nobody cares that can DO owt about things,is more to the point.

SamF · 25-02-2006, 14:33

I'm a teenager. I swear, but not infront of those who it offends, ie I won't go f'ing and blinding infront of an 80 year woman or near young children, but with my friends and other people my age, they are not offended by it and therefore I see no problem with it. Does anyone have a problem with this ?

I hang around on the streets with friends. There is nowhere else to go. I get 10 quid a week, I go out every night, we simply cannot go to the cinema and bowling all the time. Even if we only went say every friday, the cinema would cost almost 10 quid, that would be my money for the week gone. A cheap bottle of vodka costs 4 quid, split between 4 people is 1 quid each, a bit cheaper I'd say. I myself am not a regular drinker, basically because if I got caught I would be punished, very strictly.I have two options what I can do:either hang around on the streets or stay inside. Some people say play football, fine and then what do we do after 6.30 when it goes dark ? If we head towards town or parks the police ask us to move on, if we go onto the streets of residential areas, the residents complain. We cannot win.

Margaret Pilkington · 25-02-2006, 15:06

When I was young we didn't have any money......we could go to the pictures maybe once a week. We used to go to the local youth club.....yeah it was run by the church.....but you were welcome whether you attended the church or not......we used to play records and dance and we got a cup of tea or a soft drink and biscuits for 2d. During the lighter nights we would go up to Bullough park and play on the swings and the roundabouts......yeah, I suppose you are saying that is kids stuff......but we were still kids at 14 and 15. We would ride bikes, make bogey carts and such......I don't remember there being much malicious behaviour......and we certainly didn't intimidate people who were out on the streets. Recently I was in Padiham......I was waiting for a lift.....my mother was with me in her wheelchair.....a gang of youths, the eldest of which could only have been maybe 14 were circling round us and making us feel very uncomfortable.....they were swearing and making derogatory comments. This was at 7 pm in the evening. If that is how these young people get their 'fun' then I think it is a poor show. I am not saying that you are like this Samf......but there are an awful lot of youngsters out on the streets who are.

Madhatter · 25-02-2006, 16:00

I do agree that there should be more effort made to provide free stuff for kids, but then would samf use it cos you cant drink vodka in a youth club.
tHere, here are those that just hang out on the street or at the back of flats in warm porches and just chat and drink, but then as chav said there are those that will cause trouble for entertainment and would never be interested no matter what.
The other problem with starting projects such as estate youthg clubsis that after a year the kids get bored with it, it becomes uncool, unused and closes due to lack of funding, because the council wont fund a youth club noone attends. I've seen this happen in coventry.

We've tried youth shelters on the parks here to try to get youths off the street corners and they do work to a certain extent in the summer mainly. they work because they can still smoke and drink, theres very little adult interferance like a youth club has. The only thing they moan about is the sides aren't blocked in, it just has railings so its windy and wet, whereas our porch is blocked on three sides, has a light and is heated.
think our days of fun are long gone MP and chav, no imagination now days or it's just not cool enough.

SPUGGIE J · 25-02-2006, 16:55

If there is an answer to this then let me know. I cant go to the shop at weekends without being accosted by kids wanting drink and fags boughy for them. I told one lot of girls that I did not buy drink and fags for kids and was asailed with large amounts of blue language and they let rip that they are not kids at 14. Couldnt get it into their Vodka rotted brains that under they law they are until 18. They are nothing but a pain when sober and a terror with a gill of voddie in em no wonder the streets aint safe (prog C4 during the week showed how bad some are male and female).

Madhatter · 25-02-2006, 17:09

what program was that?
don't think there's anything we can do now without getting tuff, the damage has been done over the past ten years, you can't undo whats been done.
and we all know we're not alowed to get tough, well not officially anyway. you could always try getting each on there own and discussing with them where thay're going wrong, I've known people who get hassle of gangs do that and it's worked. They're not so gobby when not in a group, when they realise they can't be in a group 24/7 they learn to shut up.

SPUGGIE J · 25-02-2006, 17:18

A few towns up here have the police breaking groups of teens up and dispersing them to avoid trouble. If they do not comply they are given fixed penelty notices or if drunk taken home. Its amazing how quick they learn to behave and avoid the booze.

Madhatter · 25-02-2006, 17:21

by the sound of it you have a lot more trouble up there, this is only a small town, we've only got one or two groups of yobs. the rest are in the pubs and club.
Whats this warden thing about

SPUGGIE J · 25-02-2006, 17:30

To be a sober 14 year old up here is in some places classed as uncool. There is I am sad to say a serious drinking problem up here especially amongst the kids and not just the city housing estate ones. They are on about the community wardens
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...183#post244183

baby boo · 27-02-2006, 21:12

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Originally Posted by Lampman

The Wardens do a marvellous job,the fact that their numbers have been halved is a scandal.As I have said before they are the eyes and ears of the police authority,they are seen by the public to be more visible and approachable than the often car borne officers.
The fact is we should have had more not less of these men and women on the streets;they can have as many brews as they want....they do the job!

They do not do the job???? as mel 3ft said they do drink brews! in my opinion they sit on their arse all the time instead of walking the streets and doing their job, this time last year i was looking after a house for a few month and every day the same time the wardens would drive past the house at a certain time and park up outside the community centre and not move from there till they had finished about tea time, i got curious as to what they would be doing and often had a walk up to be nosy, every time i went they were sat there doing cross words and drinking cups of tea and eating biscuits, fair enough if they were on a dinner break but they were on a break all the time? This to me is not doing there job??