Trouble in the Tory ranks - Page 5

cashman · 13-06-2008, 10:03

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Well Rindi you have refered to public opinion on the 42 day issue and that most people are in favour, I may just add that even a bigger persentage are in favour of briging back the death penalty not just DD

i honestly doubt thats the case jaysay, think theres very little differance in public opinion on those two things.

garinda · 13-06-2008, 10:26

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Well Rindi you have refered to public opinion on the 42 day issue and that most people are in favour, I may just add that even a bigger persentage are in favour of briging back the death penalty not just DD

I think we'll have to give it a little more time before we draw any conclusions.

It's only been online since the early hours of this morning, and some people may have time set aside to sleep, or go to work.

garinda · 13-06-2008, 11:57

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Originally Posted by garinda

It'd be interesting to know what old school Conservaties think. People like Mr and Mrs Norman Tebbit, who of course were sadly victims of a terrorist act.

I wonder if they are in favour of the hug-a-hoodie, cuddle a suspected suicide bomber, type of policies that are examplified by the Conservative party of today?

I didn't know when I posted this, but Norman Tebbit does support the increase to 42 days.

'The peer, who was nearly killed by the IRA’s 1984 terror bombing in Brighton, said: “I think it would be wrong to take risks with the security of the UK.”

He stressed that the former head of Scotland Yard’s terror command Peter Clarke also backed the new powers.'

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1248245.ece

andrewb · 13-06-2008, 17:23

It now transpires that if Labour do not field a candidate, The Sun newspaper will! Ex Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie has pledged to run and apparently the billionaire media mogul Rupert Murdock who owns Sky, 17% of ITV, Myspace, The Sun, The Times along with other media companies, has given him financial backing. He will run in agreement with 42 day detention without charge, even suggesting 420 days would be acceptable, and argue that there is no erosion of civil liberty in Britain as a whole.

I think it is a rather sad state of affairs if a newspaper has to fight the case because the government have no conviction in their policies. Although I do applaud the fact that Kelvin MacKenzie is running as it allows a contest to happen, and allows the debate about liberty and freedom to be had.

Gayle · 13-06-2008, 17:38

That's not a contest - he wants David Davies to win. By being so outlandish, it's obvious that David Davies will win and then claim it as a moral victory too.

This byelection should not be allowed to carry on, it's a farce!

steeljack · 13-06-2008, 17:44

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Originally Posted by andrewb

It now transpires that if Labour do not field a candidate, The Sun newspaper will! Ex Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie has pledged to run and apparently the billionaire media mogul Rupert Murdock who owns Sky, 17% of ITV, Myspace, The Sun, The Times along with other media companies, has given him financial backing. .

Surely this is illegal , if not it should be , Rupert Murdoch is an American citizen ( he had to change his 'nationality' to enable him to have ownership of US media companies)

Gayle · 13-06-2008, 17:50

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Originally Posted by andrewb

It now transpires that if Labour do not field a candidate, The Sun newspaper will! Ex Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie has pledged to run and apparently the billionaire media mogul Rupert Murdock who owns Sky, 17% of ITV, Myspace, The Sun, The Times along with other media companies, has given him financial backing. He will run in agreement with 42 day detention without charge, even suggesting 420 days would be acceptable, and argue that there is no erosion of civil liberty in Britain as a whole.

I think it is a rather sad state of affairs if a newspaper has to fight the case because the government have no conviction in their policies. Although I do applaud the fact that Kelvin MacKenzie is running as it allows a contest to happen, and allows the debate about liberty and freedom to be had.

So if Kelvin Mackenzie wins, will he actually give up his job as newspaper editor and become an MP or will he then resign and force another byelection?

andrewb · 13-06-2008, 17:57

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Originally Posted by Gayle

So if Kelvin Mackenzie wins, will he actually give up his job as newspaper editor and become an MP or will he then resign and force another byelection?

I guess you'd have to ask him that. He is the ex-editor though so he would not need to give that up.

Gayle · 13-06-2008, 18:02

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Originally Posted by andrewb

I guess you'd have to ask him that. He is the ex-editor though so he would not need to give that up.

I didn't see the 'ex' bit.

Royboy39 · 13-06-2008, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Gayle

I didn't see the 'ex' bit.

Here.............:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7452264.stm

Bonnyboy · 13-06-2008, 18:22

I don’t think I understand why David Davies is even calling a by-election. Listening to the news earlier in the day it was stated that by-elections only for when someone dies or no longer wants to be an M.P.

Davies has only resigned his post in the shadow cabinet, he still wants to remain an M.P. so why call for a by-election and have all the associated costs ?

Am I misunderstanding the situation

blazey · 13-06-2008, 18:25

I think the whole sad state of affairs is making a mockery out of our liberties, and all the main political parties should be ashamed of themselves at the moment.

However, it isn't surprising that a newspaper has decided to play on the whole issue... so I won't hold that against them.

garinda · 13-06-2008, 18:31

I don't think anyone has mentioned it, and I don't suppose it's much concern to defenders of civil liberties, but the estimated cost from the public purse for this charade is estimated at £75,000-£80,000.

garinda · 13-06-2008, 18:34

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Originally Posted by Gayle

So if Kelvin Mackenzie wins, will he actually give up his job as newspaper editor and become an MP or will he then resign and force another byelection?

Who cares?

At least if there's more than David Davis, and the candidate from the Monster Raving Loony Party, it will fill out the hustings a little.

Benipete · 13-06-2008, 18:38

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Originally Posted by blazey

I think the whole sad state of affairs is making a mockery out of our liberties, and all the main political parties should be ashamed of themselves at the moment.

However, it isn't surprising that a newspaper has decided to play on the whole issue... so I won't hold that against them.

That is a little bit rich coming from someone who would lock people up on first impressions