Two More Pubs Close

[hedman2003]

Originally Posted by Taggy

I dont feel the Smoking Ban on its own has done the greatest damage, its just the latest in a long line of negative influences on the Pub trade. The monopoly of the Breweries/Pub Companies and their restraint of trade and high rents are certainly also a major factor. As too is the more relaxed licensing laws. You now have a situation where a lot of pubs dont get as many young people in as they used to because they prefer to frequent the town centre type establishments which open later in the evening, till early morning. Quite often these places only open towards weekends, and not during the day either.

Because younger drinkers are using these places rather than the more traditional pubs, not only are you decreasing the footfall across the pubs, you also see a less diverse cross section of the community drinking together. This in tern brings other problems such as anti-social behaviour through youngsters drinking amongst their own age group, rather than be "chaperoned" so to speak, by older...hopefully wiser...adults, and encouraged to drink more sensibly and be more respectful!

The Price of Alcohol is obviously a major issue too! I can honestly say ive never known such a huge discrepancy in the price of drink in Pubs as compared to Supermarkets!! But is it the Pubs that are to expensive or are the Supermarkets selling far to cheap?? Obviously we all want to pay as little as we can for a given product, but i would be interested to see how the price of Alcohol in Pubs today, compares to the price it was in Pubs say 25 years ago, and see how the figures compare expressed as a percentage of the average working wage! I would guess the prices would not show up to be so much more expensive now, which would then mean that the Supermarkets are causing a great problem for Pubs by holding prices down too low!!

I know i think long and hard before i go out of an evening now, and only really go out to a Pub or Club if theres live entertainment on. Otherwise may as well stay in, as sit in an empty pub/club.

Best Regards - Taggy

completly agree with the above particularly about the issue of the social interaction in pubs

I think a few years ago the breweries got greedy and penalised the proacive landlords who increased their barrelage and then massively increased their rents ad operated ina monopoly position in providing the beer

In order to build up trade pubs need stability however landlords don't or cant stay long enough to do so

[Atarah]

I believe the new landlord of The Hargreaves Arms is hoping to open in time for Xmas and I also heard tonight that The Adelphi at the bottom of Avenue Parade is due to close. Dont know if its true though.

[Stumped]

Originally Posted by Less

But you can smoke at home with cheap cans of beer which gives you an alternative to the pub & the weather,the others have no real alternative which would cause them to shut.

If you had my loudmouthed, door slamming, dog barking next door neighbours, you wouldn't want to stop in.

[Barrie Yates]

It is the same here in France. A beer 25cl in a bar at lunchtome can cost you up to 3 euros. Cheaper in the evening bars, 2.25 euros for what is a half pint. Night clubs- forget it, cheaper to buy a bottle of vodka there at 80 euros than buy shots. In Lidl and Netto - German beer is available at 7.9% for 50cents a pint (50cls), 4.6% 39 cents 50 cls - guess where I drink in the evenings

[mallard]

I dont think its the smokeing ban its the beer incree,s and everything else it very hard to day to run a pub with all the ins and out they have to pay to day.

[cmonstanley]

whats happening with the grey horse?????????

[cashman]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

whats happening with the grey horse?????????

Dunno lights were on weds night, but was empty n locked.

[cmonstanley]

refurbishment???

[AccyJay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

whats happening with the grey horse?????????

The Grey Horse closed down last Wednesday due to financial problems. The lights are on because there is a caretaker in there looking after the building making sure that it doesn't get broken into & vandalised.

The Arden closed down due to the ill health of the tennant.

I am led to believe that the adelphi is closing down tonight. It is being sold by the brewery & de-licenced.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Benipete

In 1970 - £20 would buy you 200 pints.

Today on the minimum wage of £217-70 for a 37 1/2 hr week you would be lucky to get 100.I think

200 pints Beni, to right it would, around that time my local was the White Bull up New Lane Ossy, I can remember going in one night and Ernie the Landlord said beers gone up a penny John, I just shook my head and said, "it won't be long before we can't get 10 pints for a pound

[Taggy]

Originally Posted by AccyJay

The Grey Horse closed down last Wednesday due to financial problems. The lights are on because there is a caretaker in there looking after the building making sure that it doesn't get broken into & vandalised.

The Arden closed down due to the ill health of the tennant.

I am led to believe that the adelphi is closing down tonight. It is being sold by the brewery & de-licenced.

I hope Ian from the Arden is ok, ive not seen him since they came back from Turkey, i know he has had heart probs in the past and had a by-pass operation a few years back, so hope those problems havn't returned. It was usually Nathan, their lad, behind the bar when i went in! I'd like to pass my best wishes on to them.

Best Regards - Taggy

[Mancie]

just an example.. came to London 25 yrs ago and at the time there was around 20 pubs on the old kent road alone..I'll name a few because these were well known pubs even for the casual visitor
Thomas A Beckett- shut
Henry Cooper-shut
Gin Palace-shut
Green Man-shut
Dun Cow-shut
all these pubs shut down well before the smoking ban and the none have been re-opened ...there are no more than five pubs left on Old Kent road and it's nothing to do with smoking.
the time when you had a few old codgers sitting in pubs spending a couple of quid a day have gone..

[steeljack]

Re. Changes in Pub/licensing laws , seem to remember there used to be a 2 tier system with the local pubs , most 90% +/-were tied to a specific brewery and the other 10%+/- were 'free' houses (usually in out of town areas), and were allowed to sell whatever they wanted . Has this changed ? , are most pubs now 'free' houses
thx

[cmonstanley]

cant believe the grey horse has shut i can remember it was a busy establishment but the area has gone downhill fast .im glad i got out when i did....i blame rent a mob house lettings and the school for ripping down the tree at the end of street and errecting a prison fence..and why has that house been empty for 12 years????????

[Mick]

Originally Posted by Mancie

the time when you had a few old codgers sitting in pubs spending a couple of quid a day have gone..

No its not have a look in the Railway most days about 1pm