UKIP win a seat.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Rowlf

I am a firm believer in everyone voting. As far as I'm concerned anyone who does not vote should have no opinion at all on what ever the government or local council does. I am told that in Australia it is an offence not to vote and folk are fined for not doing so.

Yes, it is an offence not to vote in Oz.
I do not agree with your view that if you do not vote,then you have no right to an opinion.
The majority of people in this country do not vote.....and if a law was brought in to make them vote, would that make politicians better at listening to their constituents? I somehow don't think it would.

The reason many people do not vote is that they feel disaffected with politicians.
Their vote changes nothing so why bother?
This does not mean that they have no opinion.It means that their opinion is not considered by those who they voted for.

Politicians are so far removed from the real lives that their voters live....they might just as well be on another planet.
Everything is down to spin and sound bites, with precious little in the way of discernible action.
They talk the talk, but fail to walk the walk.

I have to believe in what those who want my vote tell me, before I can vote for them.
I vote with my conscience. I think about who I am voting for and consider what they can do to make life better for the common man.....if you can show me this person, I will consider casting my vote for them....until then I will continue to scribble on my ballot paper....none of the above.

[cashman]

Thats exactly why i'm voting UKIP, you choose to mess up yer ballot paper, your choice fair enough, my way is this.

[Guinness]

Its a total myth that only tory voters are turning to UKIP, or that a vote for UKIP is a vote for Labour.

Last night Labour scraped home in its own heartland, thanks to massive activist involvement over the past week including almost 200 running around like lunatics yesterday banging on about how the tories weren't active in the area.

The victorious labour candidate suffered howls of derision as she began her prepared speech, obviously written by spin doctors expecting a resounding victory, and went on to deride the tories even though her closest rival was UKIP.

Milliband is claiming a victory, banging out a speech about tories being crap and labour being good whilst totally ignoring that UKIP pushed them within 600 votes, refusing to answer any media questions about people who want out of europe and controlled immigration and pretty much hiding behind the bookshelves in the library.

Speaking of the prepared speech from Heywood...check out the comment from the returning officer at 2.16



Currently the Labour party is dead in the water..they will lose the scottish contingent and every single northern seat will be up for grabs by UKIP next year....expect a U turn on immigration and Europe.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by Rowlf

If I remember rightly Cashman, Cameron promised before the last election that is the Tories won he would give us a referendum on Europe so don't see why anyone would believe him this time round.

Wasn't it voted down in the House of Commons - didn't our MP say he would vote for a referendum and then became a turncoat at the vote because his Lord & Master - Mr Ed said "You will vote against the motion, F your electorate"

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

Wasn't it voted down in the House of Commons - didn't our MP say he would vote for a referendum and then became a turncoat at the vote because his Lord & Master - Mr Ed said "You will vote against the motion, F your electorate"

Yup...Its the condescension from the Labour/Tory politicians that winds me up too. We know best...4 legs good, two legs better

The way they treat the voters as idiots who dont know what they are doing. What is it about these political dinosaurs that makes them think that Joe Public cant see right through their slimy horse manure statements and vote fishing manifestos that instantly disappear after the election. Do they really think that every voter is either a daily mail or a sun reader?

We have almost 50% of our local councillors who have reneged on their council tax and seek the protection of the Data Protection Act to hide behind. Those councillors that fought so hard to stop a Hyndburn retail park (Whitebirk), who now watch as their former allies at Burnley and Blackburn laughingly attract major retailers and have significant retail rebuilding ongoing, whilst Hyndburn now has a market hall shopper.

We have a County Council scrutiny committee who can find nothing wrong with spending £4 million on removing lighting on a section of motorway to save £10000 a year on the electric bill.

Yet somehow its Joe Public that are too thick to understand right from wrong...go figure

[Less]

Originally Posted by Rowlf

I am a firm believer in everyone voting. As far as I'm concerned anyone who does not vote should have no opinion at all on what ever the government or local council does. I am told that in Australia it is an offence not to vote and folk are fined for not doing so.

I'm sorry to disappoint you but isn't a democratic society supposed to be built on freedom?
Freedom to speak, freedom to vote, freedom not to vote if you think they are all total toss pots?
I vote if I consider there is someone worth voting for otherwise I spoil my vote, I do this because I am allowed the freedom to choose.
I do think it important that we all make an effort.
However in a free society, even those that can't get off their arse and vote are entitled to an opinion.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by cashman

Thats exactly why i'm voting UKIP, you choose to mess up yer ballot paper, your choice fair enough, my way is this.

Well Cashy, all power to your elbow.
I just cannot vote for someone I don't believe in......so we will just have to see who is put up in opposition to our incumbent MP.

[cmonstanley]

I would like to see the ukip manifesto in print they remind me of the snp up here one trick ponies with no substance . They want to privatise the nhs, get rid of the national minimum wage somebody ask them for their policies on employment

[cashman]

It dont matter a jot, Labour cocked up big time n are still doing it, The tories are doin the usual, destroy the working class, both need a good kick up the arse.

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

I would like to see the ukip manifesto in print they remind me of the snp up here one trick ponies with no substance . They want to privatise the nhs, get rid of the national minimum wage somebody ask them for their policies on employment

Speaking of no substance...what about that nugget EdM who you support holding a 3 minute press conference yesterday about engaging with voters then point blank refusing to answer any questions from them claiming he was too busy

If any party is 'one trick'..its the labour party who's only trick (just like yours) appears to be tory bashing

[cmonstanley]

Well you are not informed then lol i am not bashing anybody i just want to know the ukip policy on employment law?

[cashman]

Perhaps its same as Labours on the E.U.? beggar all.

[Less]

Originally Posted by cashman

Perhaps its same as Labours on the E.U.? beggar all.

Whatever labours stance on EUROPEAN is, we've had it from the horses mouth that 95% of us are too dumb to be allowed to decide for ourselves and that it should be left to those that 'know'.
Perhaps, those that 'know' should take time out to ensure that we plebs are informed.

[cmonstanley]

Still no answer? Ukip are doing a very bad impression of hating europe when most of their politicians are in the european parliament and taking their expenses and wages i still want to know what will be different if we left the European union, i have got an idea about employment law.

[JCB]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

i just want to know the ukip policy on employment law?

This is a link to UKIP's 2010 General Election Manifesto :-
http://www.politicsresources.net/are...ifesto2010.pdf

I think you will struggle to find anything about their policy on employment law .

Perhaps Hyndburn's local UKIP politicians , Councillors Malcolm Pritchard and Paul Thompson will be able to enlighten you .