Underage Sex Is Not Paedophilia?? - Page 6

cherokee · 21-11-2006, 23:51

Well I have read this thread with great interest and some very good points have been put foward ..
I am 42 and my husband is 62 ,that is a 20 yr differance and we are very very happy together although taking that age difference back to my younger days ie 10/30 ,12/32, 16/36 ,17/37 at what stage does it become more realistic and slightly acceptable ? well to me, if I was 17 and had met my husband then, to me i would have found it acceptable although I know for a fact my mother woud,nt have done and i know going back all those years if my husband had met me then he wouldnt have found it acceptable and wouldnt have looked twice at me. Its only that we met when i was in my 30s that age didnt seem to matter between us , but I have a son who is in his 20s and 2 at 17 18 and if i caught them anywhere near a girl under the LEGAL age of 16 I would go skitso at them and I have a daughter who is 15 and if i caught her having a sexual relationship with any lad then the same applies , I,d like to think i have a good relationship with my kids and although I cannot stop it i would like to think that i have sexually educated them enough to know the rights and wrong of it , As for the thread topic of the peadophile thing, well my opinion is that the law for sex betweenCONSENTING teenagers is 16 Anything other than that is rape no matter what sex is the instigator

Tinkerbelle · 21-11-2006, 23:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherokee

my opinion is that the law for sex betweenCONSENTING teenagers is 16 Anything other than that is rape no matter what sex is the instigator

Even if the 15 year old is 6 month from a 16th birthday?

cherokee · 21-11-2006, 23:59

Yes tinks 16 is 16 not 15 and a half

katex · 22-11-2006, 00:03

How does the law stand if they are both under 16 then ? Who gets the blame ? Do both parents prosecute the eldest, or both ? Do you put them in a remand centre, send them for treatment ? Smack their hands ? 15 year old girl +14 year old boy.. confusing, ain't it ?

What would you do if you were one of the parents ? You would have to stand by your beliefs as expressed above.

Tinkerbelle · 22-11-2006, 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherokee

Yes tinks 16 is 16 not 15 and a half

Not saying your wrong hun, I can understand were your coming from

Your lads are what? 17, 18 and in his 20's? Your 17 year old lad falls madly in love (or so they think

) with a 15 year old girl and he makes love to her. You'd agree your son should be convicted of rape and be on a sex offenders register for the rest of his life?

cherokee · 22-11-2006, 00:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by katex

How does the law stand if they are both under 16 then ? Who gets the blame ? Do both parents prosecute the eldest, or both ? Do you put them in a remand centre, send them for treatment ? Smack their hands ? 15 year old girl +14 year old boy.. confusing, ain't it ?

What would you do if you were one of the parents ? You would have to stand by your beliefs as expressed above.

Sorry Katex may have worded that wrongly ,I was implying In that satement to an older party being(OVER 16). I in that situation would therefore firstly find out if it was consented and if so deal with it appropriately ie try to follow the steps of (a )my daughters wishes and best interests and (b)as that to the partners and their families feelings with hopefully reaching an amicable agreement , as the law has no involvement with such issues that interests them

cherokee · 22-11-2006, 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinkerbelle

Not saying your wrong hun, I can understand were your coming from

Your lads are what? 17, 18 and in his 20's? Your 17 year old lad falls madly in love (or so they think

) with a 15 year old girl and he makes love to her. You'd agree your son should be convicted of rape and be on a sex offenders register for the rest of his life?

Tinks If one of my lads has sex with anyone underage if he knows she is underage then yes its rape god knows how as mother i would cope but law is law and like i said I would like to think i have taught them the difference ..However I only believe in the register for the guys who are known rapists to women and children are (not just high risk ) but medium risk to those around them , I think it is all to easy to mix up teenage relationships with perververtion and the law should be able to define the two

Tinkerbelle · 22-11-2006, 00:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherokee

Tinks If one of my lads has sex with anyone underage if he knows she is underage then yes its rape god knows how as mother i would cope but law is law and like i said I would like to think i have taught them the difference

No problem with that

Admirable to be so honest. Again I'll have to agree to disagree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherokee

I think it is all to easy to mix up teenage relationships with perververtion and the law should be able to define the two

Luckily we do

cherokee · 22-11-2006, 01:07

Im sorry if i have come across dictorial but I can assure you that is not the case .
I do infact think of such situations with dread Tinks , I think what I am trying to say is peadophiles are people that deliberatly prey on the vunarable and innocent and deserve to be placed an a sex register which all can view for the safety of thier community, whereas CONSENTED underage sex is and always will happen with teenagers,but if for instance you get a guy that is say 20 with a girl 14 15 and he is well aware of her age then yes to me that is taking advantage therefore classed as rape and should be dealt with , not nessecarily placed on a register but at least be named and shamed in order for him not to make the same mistake again

Tinkerbelle · 22-11-2006, 01:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherokee

Im sorry if i have come across dictorial but I can assure you that is not the case .

Not at all hun, I can see your point

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherokee

I do infact think of such situations with dread Tinks ,

Me too hun, as a mother of a 14 year old daughter, believe me I've given it lots of thought. It's just a shame when these babies are placed in our arms we aren't given a hand book on what to do when they reach 'that' age

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherokee

I think what I am trying to say is peadophiles are people that deliberatly prey on the vunarable and innocent and deserve to be placed an a sex register which all can view for the safety of thier community,

Agreed

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherokee

whereas CONSENTED underage sex is and always will happen with teenagers,but if for instance you get a guy that is say 20 with a girl 14 15 and he is well aware of her age then yes to me that is taking advantage therefore classed as rape and should be dealt with , not nessecarily placed on a register but at least be named and shamed in order for him not to make the same mistake again

A 20 year old with a 14/15 year old is wrong, I agree.

WillowTheWhisp · 22-11-2006, 15:10

This thread just shows what a complex issue it is and that there can't just be hard and fast rules. I'm not sure who asked it but if a 16 year old lad had sex with a 15 year old girl (maybe 2 or 3 weeks off her birthday) and it was consenting I couldn't class that as rape even though legally she was under age.

panther · 22-11-2006, 18:02

2/3 4/weeks of her birthday? or 2 month before her birthday if the boy loved her and respected her he would WAIT till she was 16. simple!!

WillowTheWhisp · 22-11-2006, 18:35

Ah but what if she was the one doing all the running? there seems to be this sort of idea that the girl is always sweet naive and innocent and the boy is the cunning deceptive villain. Some girls can be a lot more persuasive than boys and it's not only the boys who want it these days "If you rally loved me you'd go all the way" can come from a girl these days just as easily as from a boy.

panther · 22-11-2006, 19:03

true! ......if they had brains though they would wait! but they dont and wont! im dreading the day my daughter gets a proper boyfriend

i keep telling her to wait till she loves someone before she does out like that, and tell her to be proud to be a virgin and that lads would respect her more for it!!

Neal · 22-11-2006, 19:06

I've started a thread like this on my Talk Britain website:

http://www.talkbritain.co.uk/showthr...8751#post18751

I'm annoyed at children being used in adverts with makeup and clothing that should be worn by adults only. I've also made a petition online which you can sign here:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/childonadverts/