United states of GB

entwisi · 05-02-2009, 22:37

Surprised I've beaten Cyfr to this but............

We may as well just become part of the USA seeing as our politicians seem scared S********less of upsetting our atlantic neighbours

Miliband refuses to release torture documents â€¢ The Register

we need shut of this bunch of muppets (or is that puppets) right now.

FFS, we participate in exactly what we claimed were the reasons for removing Saddam, what exactly does that make our goverment and ultimately us for not doing something about them....

As someone who is happy to be politically fluid based on whats happening here and now and not what political parties have stood for historically(which is what some people seem to continue to vote for....) I can't see a reason why we leave this lot in charge??????

Royboy39 · 05-02-2009, 22:52

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Originally Posted by entwisi

Surprised I've beaten Cyfr to this but............

We may as well just become part of the USA seeing as our politicians seem scared S********less of upsetting our atlantic neighbours

Miliband refuses to release torture documents â€¢ The Register

we need shut of this bunch of muppets (or is that puppets) right now.

FFS, we participate in exactly what we claimed were the reasons for removing Saddam, what exactly does that make our goverment and ultimately us for not doing something about them....

As someone who is happy to be politically fluid based on whats happening here and now and not what political parties have stood for historically(which is what some people seem to continue to vote for....) I can't see a reason why we leave this lot in charge??????

Ian............It seems to go unoticed that the country is in a mess and we are subjected to the local issues on this forum taking over the overall picture.
The economy is flat...Jobs are in danger...When I hear the politicians say anything...I don't believe them.
When I hear local councillors say anything...I don't believe them.
Why oh why do we fall for the claptrap.

jambutty · 05-02-2009, 23:00

We’ve been the 51st state in all but name since WWII without the benefits.

It is time that we either stood up to the Yanks and told them where to go or became Yanks ourselves.

Royboy39 · 05-02-2009, 23:08

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Originally Posted by jambutty

We’ve been the 51st state in all but name since WWII without the benefits.

It is time that we either stood up to the Yanks and told them where to go or became Yanks ourselves.

Think about that very carefully Jimbo....The Yanks have pulled us out of the mire more than once.
Without their intervention in WWII we would all be paying homage to a fate worse than the current Labour Government.

Wynonie Harris · 05-02-2009, 23:09

Looks like it's a choice between being a state of the United States of Europe or the United States of America.

What makes me laugh, bitterly, is the way that Labour, Tory and Lib-Dem politicians (including those on here) still like to peddle the fallacy that we're an independent country.

Oh sure...

cashman · 05-02-2009, 23:12

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Looks like it's a choice between being a state of the United States of Europe or the United States of America.

What makes me laugh, bitterly, is the way that Labour, Tory and Lib-Dem politicians (including those on here) still like to peddle the fallacy that we're an independent country.

Oh sure...

well i know which united state i would choose. if it came down to it.

Royboy39 · 05-02-2009, 23:14

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Originally Posted by cashman

well i know which united state i would choose. if it came down to it.

Pray tell?

andrewb · 05-02-2009, 23:18

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Originally Posted by cashman

well i know which united state i would choose. if it came down to it.

Great Britain?

entwisi · 05-02-2009, 23:20

the thing is we could still be but it would take a goverment with balls, one who would spend a year or two ignoring EU directives to build a local farming capability etc to provide sufficient food etc. It may even take us some sacrifice in missing some things we may be used to initially till we negotiate teh supply chains in independance.

independant does not mean not in need of supplies from elsewhere. few countres live a self sufficient life, teh difference would be us setting our own limits

Wynonie Harris · 05-02-2009, 23:24

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Originally Posted by entwisi

the thing is we could still be but it would take a goverment with balls, one who would spend a year or two ignoring EU directives to build a local farming capability etc to provide sufficient food etc. It may even take us some sacrifice in missing some things we may be used to initially till we negotiate teh supply chains in independance.

Nice idea, but you've as much chance of getting that from the Tories as you did from Labour.

entwisi · 05-02-2009, 23:28

didn't say I would, only that ideals are not likely to happen as it takes goverment with balls.
I am lucky to be politically fluid in that I can make my judgement based on policy now not what they stood for 40 years ago. unfortunately there isn't a "None of the above incompetants" option on the ballot paper!

katex · 05-02-2009, 23:29

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Originally Posted by entwisi

independant does not mean not in need of supplies from elsewhere. few countres live a self sufficient life, teh difference would be us setting our own limits

I thought it all started with the oil prices, which we 'aint got ..

andrewb · 05-02-2009, 23:29

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Nice idea, but you've as much chance of getting that from the Tories as you did from Labour.

Unfortunately I feel you might be right..

entwisi · 05-02-2009, 23:30

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Originally Posted by katex

I thought it all started with the oil prices, which we 'aint got ..

we have oil

not as much as saudi etc but hang on... they aren't EU either

so what exactly ties us to this EU malarky?

Royboy39 · 05-02-2009, 23:35

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Originally Posted by entwisi

the thing is we could still be but it would take a goverment with balls, one who would spend a year or two ignoring EU directives to build a local farming capability etc to provide sufficient food etc. It may even take us some sacrifice in missing some things we may be used to initially till we negotiate teh supply chains in independance.

independant does not mean not in need of supplies from elsewhere. few countres live a self sufficient life, teh difference would be us setting our own limits

This post makes absolute sense and I endorse it.
Do we need EU directives..........No.
The Farming communities have been desimated by EU as has our right to live the life that we want, not what the gob s..te EU, unelected idiots want.
Who gives a toss about bananas being the wrong shape?
Spain has the right idea.........If the smoking ban has a detrimental affect on our ecomony or our way of life, backburner. So it should be.