vaccine shot

[susie123]

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS

call it what you will but With the nasty ingredients in the vaccines, I'll take my chances with the disease/virus

One can only bang one's head against a brick wall so many times...

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by katex

Well, I've had some karma that was just sealed with a kiss .... that'll do for me ...

As for the vaccine shots, you have to do your own risk assessment and I decided to have it as better to give you some protection rather than none.

I'm surprised Margaret P that you have not, at least, had the pneumonia shot seeing as you appear to be susceptible to chest infections. A big killer in the elderly.

There are no risks... my daughter (Practice Nurse) has done a great multitude of these plus MMR for children and, up to press, not one bad reaction .. go figure.

Bit confused re. Chris's 'invitation', if no problems as described by Sue ... only thing I can think of is that the doctor has overbought (yes, they have to buy these), and they are offering them to less vulnerable patients to reclaim their investment.

Yes Kate, I do get Chest infections, but I do what you say.......I assess the risks to myself of having such a vaccine.....I choose not to have it. (for reasons which I won't bore you with). I choose not to have it because I have a choice...(it has nothing to do with needle phobia - I don't like needles, but I am not phobic of them).

Everyone has to make the decisions for themselves. I have made mine.

[Chris SUI JURIS]

A review from The Cochrane Collaboration, a widely respected research-analysis team, went over all the evidence, and entered its conclusion:

In healthy adults, no flu vaccine delivers protection from the flu.

Boom!

It doesn’t protect against transmission of flu viruses from person to person, either.

Boom!

So all the promotion and all the pandering and all the scare tactics and all the “expert medical opinion” and all the media coverage…useless, worthless, and irrelevant.

Billions of dollars of financed lies about flu vaccines were just that: lies.

It gets worse, because the entire theory about how and why vaccines work is sitting on a razor’s edge, ready to fall into the abyss of discarded fairy tales.

We’ve been told that vaccines stimulate the immune system with a “rehearsal” of what will happen when an actual disease comes down the pipeline. When the disease does show up, the immune system will be locked and loaded, ready to destroy the attacking germ.

But since flu vaccines don’t protect against flu or even stop the transmission of flu viruses from person to person, the so-called “rehearsing” of the immune system is merely somebody’s fancy story. A myth.

Also, you can forget about the widely sold herd-immunity tale. How can the group be immune when vaccines are doing nothing to prevent the free movement of germs from person to person?

As always, The Cochrane Collaboration did an exhaustive review of all previous studies on flu vaccines they could discover. They rejected the studies that were badly constructed. In some cases, to expand available data, they contacted individual researchers who had conducted studies.

Therefore, Cochrane’s findings represent the best of the published literature on flu vaccines. However, because the Cochrane team owes nothing to pharmaceutical companies, they analyzed the literature with sober eyes and minds.

Here is an interesting comment from the analysis: “The review showed that reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin but there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions…”

Now who in the world would benefit from such manipulating?

Oh yes. One other thing.

The Cochrane review, published by John Wiley and Sons, appeared online on July 7, 2010.

Over two years ago.

I must have missed the massive mainstream media coverage. Perhaps I was fishing that day

[Margaret Pilkington]

I was once told(by a researcher who worked for Astra Zeneca in Altrincham) to be wary of research, and to ask some probing questions.....like who commissioned and paid for the reasearch?
Were the researchers truly independent with no links to the drug being researched?
What was the criteria for inclusion into the research program?
What data was collected and collated...and how was it analysed?

Prior to this I had been inclined to take research on face value.

[katex]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Everyone has to make the decisions for themselves. I have made mine.

Yes, I know and I apologise for criticising your decision.

It's just that I have experienced flu ... long time ago in my early twenties (think it was the Asian Flu). Myself, ex husband and then 2 year old daughter caught it, and it was a terrible and frightening experience ... we were just crawling around for 2 weeks trying to help each other. This went towards my decision to have the injection.

[Chris SUI JURIS]

The top 20 ways to boost your immunity to colds and flu without using a vaccine

1) Take a vitamin D supplement every day. Check our Vitamin D guide for details about choosing the proper dosage.

2) Get as much sunlight as you can for as late into the year as you can manage. Even getting sunlight on just your face helps produce more vitamin D in your body.

3) Drink immune-boost beverages like organic Cocoa Mojo, which contains a blend of 4 medicinal mushrooms. And it tastes like a delicious hot chocolate!

4) Use a high-quality air filter in your home to filter out bacteria and mold spores that may be circulating inside your home.

5) Get regular exercise to boost your circulation and immune strength. This exercise should be frequent and moderate. Do not over-stress yourself at the gym, or your immune system will be temporarily compromised.

6) Take supplements especially designed to protect your respiratory tract. These include Lomatium, Osha, Elderberry and more. You’ll find many of these in the herbal medicine cabinets offered at the NaturalNews Store.

7) Take measures to minimize your exposure to immune-damaging chemicals such as those you’ll find in laundry products, cosmetics, personal care products and fragrance products. The artificial fragrance chemicals found in most of these products are carcinogenic and cause liver damage.

8) Get off all medications that you can safely eliminate! Work with a naturopath to accomplish this, of course, as quitting medications cold turkey can also be dangerous. Most medications suppress your immune system, liver function, kidney function and even your reproductive function.

9) Eat more meals that are rich in pungent spices. Eat more curry, which is rich in turmeric. Eat more ginger. Eat more cilantro, rosemary, thyme and other rich spices. This includes cloves and nutmeg, two spices you’ll typically find in eggnog drinks. These spices boost immune function and taste great, too!

10) Clean up your diet. If you’re eating cheese and drinking processed milk, those substances are to be avoided during the winter influenza season, especially. In many people, cheese and dairy products tend to cause sinus stuffiness, which is really a lack of sinus circulation. This can make you more susceptible to physically catching and harboring a virus floating around.

11) Boost your trace minerals intake, especially zinc. Both zinc and selenium are hugely important for immune function. Zinc is especially well known for functioning as a shield support against many viral attacks. One of the best ways to boost your trace minerals intake is to switch to a natural sea salt or a high-mineral salt. We’ll be offering these salts by Thanksgiving, by the way.

12) Move your lymph! Rebounders (mini trampolines) are great for this purpose. Jumping rope also works, as does just hopping in place for a few minutes each day. You can also do arm rotations and other simple movements to keep your lymph circulating. Lymph movement is crucial for immunity.

13) Take immune-protective herbal tinctures such as goldenseal, garlic, echinacea, osha root and elderberry. All of these herbs are found in the Enerfood Herbal Medicine Cabinet – intermediate. We also have a “basic” and “advanced” kit available.

14) While you’re at it, wash your hands more frequently. Many of the infections we receive during the flu season come from us touching contaminated surfaces and then touching our eyes, nose or mouth. The simple act of washing your hands can dramatically cut down on viral infections.

15) At the same time, demand high levels of hygiene by those around you. Ask them to wash their hands, for example. Ask them to boost their immunity with herbs, nutrients and supplements that really work. In fact, when others fail to boost their immune systems, it’s actually highly irresponsible on their part. Merely relying on a vaccine is actually putting other people at risk, since vaccines don’t work 99 times out of 100.

16) Have an emergency supply of colloidal silver available. Not only do you want the liquid colloidal silver, you may also want to consider an inhalable form of silver

17) Get plenty of sleep. A lack of sleep compromises the immune system.

18) Reduce your levels of chronic stress, if possible. Stress also compromises your immune system, and it even “uses up” nutrients in your body, leaving you nutritionally depleted.

19) Drink more “live” vegetable juice. If that sounds too cold, make yourself some warm but raw vegetable soups. Search online for recipes. My favorites include a raw avocado soup recipe using red peppers, to which I add some Tobasco sauce. You make these soups in a blender like the Vita-Mix.

20) Laugh a little! Watch some comedy movies, or spend some fun time with family and friends. Laughter boosts immune function at many levels. It’s good for your body and your mental health. Find creative ways to expose yourself to comical situations and you’ll benefit as a result. :-)

[cashman]

So who is our Vitamin D guide?? yeh working fer em or what?

[susie123]

Originally Posted by cashman

So who is our Vitamin D guide?? yeh working fer em or what?

It's a cut and paste job Cashy - see my next post...

[cashman]

Originally Posted by susie123

It's a cut and paste job Cashy - see my next post...

I suspected as much, Hence me sarcastic smiley.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by katex

Yes, I know and I apologise for criticising your decision.

It's just that I have experienced flu ... long time ago in my early twenties (think it was the Asian Flu). Myself, ex husband and then 2 year old daughter caught it, and it was a terrible and frightening experience ... we were just crawling around for 2 weeks trying to help each other. This went towards my decision to have the injection.

No apology necessary Kate.
I have never had flu...lots of other viral illnesses, but not flu.

I try my best to look after my health. I take vitamin D supplements.

I wear gloves when I am out an likely to be touching hard surfaces which may harbour the virus...wash my hands often(no wonder they are like elephant leather).
I stay very active.....it is not possible to do anything else with the tinlids and Ma to look after.
I do not eat cheese or have much dairy in my diet....it creates phlegm(it might not do the same for you)....I have two fresh oranges most days during the winter.
Over the years my chest has become something of a problem....maybe it is inherited, or maybe it is as a result of working in two dusty industries - the cotton mill and the Carborundum Co....my maternal grandmother had bronchitis most winters.
When I am in for a bout of bronchitis I do not even get the symptoms of a head cold...no runny nose, a tickly throat maybe, but that is it.
I may submit to having the vaccine when I feel 'elderly' at the moment I am just middle aged( or that is how I feel).

I am not against others having the vaccination if that is what they wish(and they feel it is of benefit to them)...it is just not for me.

[susie123]

OK Chris so you're good at cut and paste - but it would save me a lot of time if you could include links to your sources - but have managed to track them down anyway.

I don't disagree with a lot of the suggestions about how to boost your immune system - but I take them with a pinch of salt when they are listed on a site whose purpose is to sell the very supplements named in the list.

Top 20 ways to boost your immunity to colds and flu without using vaccines

As for the Cochrane collaboration study not only have I read the article that you cut and pasted which is available on several websites but I have also read the original Cochrane study and I will now cut and paste from that...

The results of this review seem to discourage the utilisation of vaccination against influenza in healthy adults as a routine public health measure. As healthy adults have a low risk of complications due to respiratory disease, the use of the vaccine may be only advised as an individual protection measure against symptoms in specific cases. [The study only looked at results from healthy adults between 16 and 65. These are not the ones currently being offered the flu vaccine in the UK.]

The content and results of previous versions of this review have been extensively misquoted especially in public policy documents. Two types of common misquotes are the generalisation of evidence from this review to all age and risk groups and the generalisation of estimates of effect to all outcomes (especially complications and deaths). The misquotes then assume that the performance of influenza vaccines is uniform across all age groups and from symptom prevention to all outcomes. Both generalisations are not supported by any evidence and seem to originate from the desire to use our review to support decisions already taken. The misquotes appear to be based on both the abstract and Plain language summary (which is what you would expect from a superficial reading of the review by people with a specific agenda).

The universal immunisation of healthy adults should achieve a number of specific goals: reducing the spread of the disease, reducing the economic loss due to working days lost and reducing morbidity and hospitalization. None of the studies included in the review presented results evaluating the ability of this vaccination to interrupt the spread of the disease. Some studies presented data on reduction of working days lost and showed a very limited effect. Similarly a very limited effect was found on morbidity and no effect was found on hospitalization. Given the limited availability of resources for mass immunisation, the use of influenza vaccines should be primarily directed where there is clear evidence of benefit. [So it is currently offered only to the over-65s and others with various health problems.]

We are not aware of other systematic reviews on this topic. [So more work needs to be done.]

[Chris SUI JURIS]

Originally Posted by susie123

It's a cut and paste job Cashy - see my next post...

correct it is a copy an paste job,i'm just sharing the info

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes Sue, I read the original of that one as well.

[Chris SUI JURIS]

Originally Posted by susie123

OK Chris so you're good at cut and paste - but it would save me a lot of time if you could include links to your sources - but have managed to track them down anyway.

Congrats on the detective work sue only a matter of time before your head hunted by MI5 etc, i'll recommend your name for the Guinness World Records too as it must be a record on how quick you are to track the links down

[susie123]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I was once told(by a researcher who worked for Astra Zeneca in Altrincham) to be wary of research, and to ask some probing questions.....like who commissioned and paid for the reasearch?
Were the researchers truly independent with no links to the drug being researched?
What was the criteria for inclusion into the research program?
What data was collected and collated...and how was it analysed?

Prior to this I had been inclined to take research on face value.

The Cochrane Collaboration study had this to say...

It is now known that industry funding of influenza vaccines studies determines publication in high prestige journals and higher citation rates than other types of funding. In addition industry funding is associated with optimistic conclusions, but the quality of the majority of influenza vaccines studies is low, irrespective of funding. A previously cited review showed a complex web of interrelationships between these variables http://www.bmj.com/content/338/bmj.b354, but how this impacts on policy making is unknown.