veil or cross

[garinda]

Who said fashion was dead?

[Ianto.W.]

Originally Posted by Tinkerbelle

I was discussing the Muslim faith with my 14 year old daughter the other day. If what she says is to be taken as fact, it appears the Muslim faith may suffer a backlash from some of the Muslim women in the very near future.

My daughter said that the Muslim boys in school have recently become even more dedicated to their faith and culture, were as the girls have developed a certain amount of contempt for their faith/culture to the point were they despise their own. She said the Muslim girls are always commenting on how they wish they had been born different. It makes me feel quite sad.

Not having been brought up with Muslims I am at a disadvantage to generations that have, only by discussing and reading views of those that have, can I personally make any sense out of the subject and must at times appear to be a little racist, as these people seem to be trying to take away hard won freedoms our forebears have passed on to us, I think spinners last reply was a good one, regarding the place of women especially in the 'motherland'. Are the boys given a more intensive religious education, and more importance placed on them being better achievers than girls?

[Doug]

Originally Posted by Tinkerbelle

I was discussing the Muslim faith with my 14 year old daughter the other day. If what she says is to be taken as fact, it appears the Muslim faith may suffer a backlash from some of the Muslim women in the very near future.

My daughter said that the Muslim boys in school have recently become even more dedicated to their faith and culture, were as the girls have developed a certain amount of contempt for their faith/culture to the point were they despise their own. She said the Muslim girls are always commenting on how they wish they had been born different. It makes me feel quite sad.

I don’t think it’s the faith that’s at fault just how some interpret it. The Islamic faith/world has given all of us more than most in terms of progress, sciences, culture and day to day living. It’s just a shame that the positives of Islamic life can’t be up held and exploited as a path to a more peaceful world.

Like all things in this life/country/world a minority of peoples are exploiting the negatives and being allowed to succeed. Fact is it’s all been done before by the Catholic Faith and the Protestant Church over the centuries, what makes it worse today is the minorities are able to exploit the vagaries of National Leadership, the absence of National Pride and the abandonment of moral standing in the community.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by garinda

Who said fashion was dead?

The one in the top left corner looks quite hippiefied.

[Tinkerbelle]

Originally Posted by Ianto.W.

must at times appear to be a little racist,

IMHO 'rascist' is just a word adopted to belittle people that don't agree with your opinions on others cultures Ian

Originally Posted by Ianto.W,

Are the boys given a more intensive religious education, and more importance placed on them being better achievers than girls?

In school no, they aren't given more intensive religious education, my daughter attends a Catholic school. What happens behind closed doors in the family environment is a different matter I suppose. Neither is it achievement, from what I'm led to believe, it's the freedom the *white* girls have that the Muslim girls crave.

[cashman]

the one bottom right looks like one of my old flames.

[Tinkerbelle]

Originally Posted by Doug

The Islamic faith/world has given all of us more than most in terms of progress, sciences, culture and day to day living.

In what way Doug? That's not me being ignorant, sometimes you need it pointing out to realise the truth in a statement.

[cherokee]

Originally Posted by cashman

the one bottom right looks like one of my old flames.

Oh thats BINDA...... FULL NAME........ BIN-DA-BOY.......... SORRY , NAUGHTY MEEE

[Doug]

I think they are culturally acceptable and the rights of the individual to wear one should be respected, but in the right circumstances I think they should be removed for the appropriate periods of time. By this I mean at Boarder Controls, Legal Investigations and Court appearances. Medical Practice and Teaching, Military Service, Political & Legal Occupations. I must admit I do find the extreme Black one’s a little intimidating but only because of the potential threat of not knowing who’s underneath it.

[WillowTheWhisp]

I think it's probably got something to do with western associations of hidden faces Doug - like the masked bandits in cowboy films. It's always the baddie who hides his face - apart from the Lone Ranger and he does the opposite anyway because all he does hide is his eyes.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by Tinkerbelle

In what way Doug? That's not me being ignorant, sometimes you need it pointing out to realise the truth in a statement.

Don’t make me list everything. Most of what we take for granted in our day to day lives originates from the Islamic world. Examples The Distilling process, Navigation, The Numbers we use, time itself in some respects, and Etiquette (table manners).

[WillowTheWhisp]

There's some fabulous architecture.

[Tinkerbelle]

Originally Posted by Doug

Don’t make me list everything.

I can't make you do anything but I would like more examples, not because I'm being pedantic but because I have a genuine interest in what you just said. For example, I didn't know about those things you listed, especially the distilling process? I thought Muslims weren't permitted to consume alcohol?.

[Tinkerbelle]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

There's some fabulous architecture.

Again where? I thought most of our beautiful architecture was down to the Romans.

[Ianto.W.]

It was always my opinion that these veils were 'invented' to keep the sand out of the nose and mouth during a sand storm, or marry an ugly daughter off it just shows how naive I must appear on this subject, this is not a wind up, as a child at the cinema this was my belief when watching films concerning the desert etc.