Vetting and Barring list.. - Page 2

Neil · 17-07-2009, 07:26

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Originally Posted by Gayle

In fact, the CRB check costs £24 I think, which means that three times that is £72, so in theory getting one of these new checks would cover everything and would in the long run save money perhaps.

CRB checks should be provided by the Government who are trying to make it look like they care for no charge to anyone. It should be a public service.

Is this another good reason for an ID card scheme? Each person could be checked on entry to the school by swiping their card. This would flag up any issues about the person straight away. It could be live information so up to date.

Neil · 17-07-2009, 07:32

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Originally Posted by steeljack

seems to me if more parents did the right thing and accepted their parental responsibilities instead of expecting the Govt. to take care everything half of this stuff would not be neccessary

How are you supposed to carry out your parental responsibilities when your child is in school and you are at work???
I expect my child to be safe at school and I believe when you hand over your child at the start of the school day, they take on the responsibility for your child from a safety point of view.

Gayle · 17-07-2009, 08:50

Any sort of formal ID card or CRB check puts people off helping out.

For example - the mother of one of the children at school, she's very helpful when it comes to PTA things (raffle tickets, selling teas at events, helping out selling school sweaters, etc), her kids have been at the school for over 10 years so she's well known, she's never left alone with any children, she's NOT CRB checked.

Now, I realise that these rules are for the safety of the children but equally there has got to be some element of common sense in there too. This example is a hard working contributor to the school - if you asked her to fill in a form or put herself on a list she'd probably run a mile - the school would lose out because it's very hard to find willing volunteers.

Now, if we're talking about an author or someone who is unknown to the school coming in for a one-off session then I think, absolutely, there should be some sort of central check done.

jaysay · 17-07-2009, 09:11

From what I understand this £64 they are going to charge is not a one off payment but and annual subscription to the government, don't mind me asking but is fresh air still free

Gayle · 17-07-2009, 09:24

Then, like I said, it will completely stop parents from helping out in schools.

MargaretR · 17-07-2009, 10:39

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Originally Posted by jaysay

don't mind me asking but is fresh air still free

There isn't any, unless you get it on the National Elf, like you do

jaysay · 17-07-2009, 10:43

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

There isn't any, unless you get it on the National Elf, like you do

That's not even fresh Margaret, it comes through a machine

MargaretR · 17-07-2009, 11:17

Everything is recycled - yesterday's farts are tomorrow's 'fresh air'

At least your machine filters out yours

Neil · 17-07-2009, 12:44

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Originally Posted by Gayle

Any sort of formal ID card or CRB check puts people off helping out.

Not if we all had ID cards.
It would become natural to have to whip it out when requested to prove you are who you say you are.

Gayle · 17-07-2009, 13:26

But the ID card is going to be voluntary isn't it? Plus it's going to cost £35 or something like that. Again - who is going to get one of them?

Neil · 17-07-2009, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Gayle

But the ID card is going to be voluntary isn't it? Plus it's going to cost £35 or something like that. Again - who is going to get one of them?

I was not referring to the stupid voluntary scheme but an enforced ID card provided by the state for everyone.

Gayle · 17-07-2009, 13:31

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Originally Posted by Neil

I was not referring to the stupid voluntary scheme but an enforced ID card provided by the state for everyone.

I don't think that will ever happen. No political party would want to bring in such an unpopular thing. It would be political suicide at the moment.

cashman · 17-07-2009, 15:14

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Originally Posted by Gayle

I don't think that will ever happen. No political party would want to bring in such an unpopular thing. It would be political suicide at the moment.

why are these cards acceptable in europe,yet not here?

Gayle · 17-07-2009, 15:19

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Originally Posted by cashman

why are these cards acceptable in europe,yet not here?

I don't know. But so many people object to them that I'm fairly sure the major parties would hesitate about enforcing them as it could be a vote loser.

That's why there's this half-cocked voluntary thing going on which will never work.

jaysay · 17-07-2009, 15:49

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Originally Posted by Neil

I was not referring to the stupid voluntary scheme but an enforced ID card provided by the state for everyone.

The voluntary scheme is a Micky mouse idea by a Micky mouse government