War veterans - Page 3

steeljack · 17-06-2007, 18:41

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

And your point is what?

the US seems to show more respect to its service personnel , dead or alive than HMG .

Wynonie Harris · 17-06-2007, 18:42

British troops aren't "choosing" to help another country. They have gone there as part of their official duties and, as such, deserve our respect just as much as those who have served in any other conflict.

Margaret Pilkington · 17-06-2007, 18:42

No we weren't discussing benefits, but we were discussing whether veterans returned from war were dealt with fairly...this must include their health and well being...with which some of the soldiers paid for the rest of their lives.....their wellbeing was compromised by fighting for the freedom that you Blazey, enjoy. Perhaps you don't see the connection there...but because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
The returning soldiers were told that they would return to a land fit for heroes.......and my dad couldn't even get himself a pair of specs.

piltymon · 17-06-2007, 18:43

I'm interested in every aspect from every point of view. Medals, benefits, what families of lost soldiers think and what returning soldiers think. Any country, religion or political system! I'd rather see opinions of the subject than people putting others down or just bickering though.

Less · 17-06-2007, 18:44

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Originally Posted by blazey

Even if we had ever lost a war, who's to say a foreign leadership would be a bad thing. The queens not british and she rules quite well.

So you think that perhaps a regime that killed over 6,000,000 Jews and other such 'untermensch', killed over 20,000,000 Russians and killed or maimed many thousands of other allied troops, MIGHT NOT BE A BAD THING? You claim to know about history? Give over lass, you know nowt about owt!

blazey · 17-06-2007, 18:45

And british troops CHOOSE their job, and then go to do their duty in that job. Nobody in this country forces them into their job. Unless you want to go into a debate about the armies lovely approach at those who dont have qualifications, making it look like an unqualified teenagers only option for a career.

garinda · 17-06-2007, 18:45

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Originally Posted by blazey

I didnt realise we were discussing the benefit system.

All part and parcel I'm afraid.

My twenty two year old grandfather was killed whilst my granny was pregnant my Mum. The then pittance of a War Widow's pension (benefits to you) helped put food on the table.

Rebel without a bloody clue.

Tin Monkey · 17-06-2007, 18:45

I like nothing more than a good heated discussion and have been known to manufacture a controversial view or two, but even in my most creative moments I couldn't even dream up the kind of naive rubbish you are typing blazey.

I know you're young, but your naivity is outstanding. I'd quit now, as it's becoming a bit embarrassing.

blazey · 17-06-2007, 18:45

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Originally Posted by Less

So you think that perhaps a regime that killed over 6,000,000 Jews and other such 'untermensch', killed over 20,000,000 Russians and killed or maimed many thousands of other allied troops, MIGHT NOT BE A BAD THING? You claim to know about history? Give over lass, you know nowt about owt!

The russians raped 3million german civilians to get their own back after the war, I think that was enough to get their own back dont you?

Margaret Pilkington · 17-06-2007, 18:46

You also think that the conflict in Iraq isn't a real war....well, they are being shot at with real bullets, and being car bombed with real explosives.
The British troops aren't out there trying to rebuild the country, they are out there trying to keep warring factions of Iraqis apart.

Royboy39 · 17-06-2007, 18:47

If advice is needed.......Read up on your subject first. before going worldwide with your comment or opinion.
My Grandparents had two sons both killed in WWII one was my Father and the other was my uncle. When my Father was killed I was four years old.
My Father was killed in Burma and my uncle was killed in Libya and all they got as recognition was a mention in The War Graves Commission Roll of Honour.
I feel the way this thread is going it will upset a lot of dedicated and sincere people - British Legion for one.

blazey · 17-06-2007, 18:47

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

You also think that the conflict in Iraq isn't a real war....well, they are being shot at with real bullets, and being car bombed with real explosives.
The British troops aren't out there trying to rebuild the country, they are out there trying to keep warring factions of Iraqis apart.

They are helping the Iraqi government, they arent against Iraq as a country. No official war has been declared.

blazey · 17-06-2007, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

If advice is needed.......Read up on your subject first. before going worldwide with your comment or opinion.
My Grandparents had two sons both killed in WWII one was my Father and the other was my uncle. When my Father was killed I was four years old.
My Father was killed in Burma and my uncle was killed in Libya and all they got as recognition was a mention in The War Graves Commission Roll of Honour.
I feel the way this thread is going it will upset a lot of dedicated and sincere people - British Legion for one.

I didn't even say past war veterans didnt deserve recognition, I said there was no necessary need to reward them with materialistic things.
People don't join the army for a medal, they join it to fight and gain honour. Simple as that. I think many would say they'd be happy without a medal if they did the country a good deed.

Margaret Pilkington · 17-06-2007, 18:51

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Originally Posted by blazey

The russians raped 3million german civilians to get their own back after the war, I think that was enough to get their own back dont you?

It was a War Blazey......bad things happened on all sides.....wars are bad things all round...people get killed, tortured, gassed......and you want to think yourself fortunate that you have not had to live through anything like it........and you should hope you never have to in the future either.

piltymon · 17-06-2007, 18:53

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

I like nothing more than a good heated discussion and have been known to manufacture a controversial view or two, but even in my most creative moments I couldn't even dream up the kind of naive rubbish you are typing blazey.

I know you're young, but your naivity is outstanding. I'd quit now, as it's becoming a bit embarrassing.

How does a person ever learn if they are not allowed to? I wonder what makes you so intelligent and/ or experienced? What makes you think that you are better than any other person? Maybe the people that keep putting Blazey down would be better served by explaining their points in a different way. I don't believe that the teachers of today teach their students by mocking them!

Confuscus say :-- No such thing as bad student, only bad tutor!