War veterans - Page 5

Margaret Pilkington · 17-06-2007, 19:12

There are no military hospitals to my knowledge......all military personnel are treated in NHS facilities now.

blazey · 17-06-2007, 19:16

There used to be a military hospital. Nearly every country with an army in the world has one. Ours is one of the few who no longer have one.

Our Army may have been one of the best but it isnt no longer, and it isnt because of people like me

piltymon · 17-06-2007, 19:25

I probably have more experience of the subject being that both my father and grandfather were in the army during wars. I didn't see them whining about care, medals or anything else. They did their duty, came home and got on with their lives.

garinda · 17-06-2007, 19:28

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Originally Posted by piltymon

They did their duty, came home and got on with their lives.

Well they were lucky.

Lucky not to be dead, or disabled,

The Green Lantern · 17-06-2007, 19:30

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Originally Posted by garinda

Well they were lucky.

Lucky not to be dead, or disabled,

or not being able to pay the bills or poll tax or council tax or afford to heat their houses, etc etc etc

accymel · 17-06-2007, 19:30

Hey blazey whats this?

Something my grandfather never got chance to see in person after surviving WW2 i was humbled enough to visit earlier this year on his behalf.

Margaret Pilkington · 17-06-2007, 19:32

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Originally Posted by piltymon

Then I probably have more experience of the subject being that both my father and grandfather were in the army during wars. I didn't see them whining about care, medals or anything else. They did their duty, came home and got on with their lives.

Yes, my father was in WW2, and my grandfathers on both sides were in WW1.....but that does not give me any formal qualifications...only experience of my fathers ill health, and anecdotal evidence from both of my grandfathers...but that wasn't what we were supposed to be discussing.....my father too came home and got on with his life (miserable as it was) because there was no option.....none of the politicians promises held good.....but was it ever thus.

blazey · 17-06-2007, 19:33

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Originally Posted by accymel

Hey blazey whats this?

Something my grandfather never got chance to see in person after surviving WW2 i was humbled enough to visit earlier this year on his behalf.

The benefit system for everyone in the country is so crap that unfortunatly I couldnt afford to go on my world war 2 college trip. Only I got on with it instead of complaining about the benefit system.

accymel · 17-06-2007, 19:34

Ps yes he survived but many of his conrads didnt & the stuff he witnessed was horrific, he suffered many nights long after with nightmares not only of his conrads dying but also the concemtration camp, he also lost majority part of his stomach due to stay in prisoner of war stalag 18A.

accymel · 17-06-2007, 19:37

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Originally Posted by blazey

The benefit system for everyone in the country is so crap that unfortunatly I couldnt afford to go on my world war 2 college trip. Only I got on with it instead of complaining about the benefit system.

Many of your forefathers that fought would simply be turning in their graves at your disgraceful, ignorant & selfish immaturity its unreal!!!! Many died in the wars before to give YOU the lifestyle that YOU mock so profusely & with shear arrogance!

Who's paying for your college course, living etc?

piltymon · 17-06-2007, 19:38

And for the record Michelle had TWO grandfathers and a Great Grandfather that fought in the wars. I dare say that she could tell more war stories than the lot of you put together!

Royboy39 · 17-06-2007, 19:44

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Originally Posted by piltymon

And for the record Michelle had TWO grandfathers and a Great Grandfather that fought in the wars. I dare say that she could tell more war stories than the lot of you put together!

It is rather tragic that my Father and Uncle cant tell there war stories.
They both died!!!

jambutty · 17-06-2007, 19:53

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Originally Posted by blazey

I dont think they deserve special treatment. Its just their chosen career at the end of the day to do something for the country.
Bin men and teachers do things for the country and they dont get any particularly special treatment.

This current 'war' isnt a proper war anyway as theyre only in Iraq to help the people there arent they, not fight against them all. Saying that I dont quite know anything about the thing in Afghanistan.

As far as I'm aware though there isn't an official declaration of war,troops are just there to help the countries regain full power and basically fight against the violent people there who I suppose are a bit like revolutionists arent they?

Many people do things for the country and don't get particular recognition so I don't think there is a particular need. If we were in an actual war right now and people were being forced into joining and volunteering then those returning deserve recognition.

I'd say right now though the troops aren't providing much for are own country but more in the countries theyre actually in so if anything, they deserve rewarding over there.

Their chosen career was to be in a position to put their lives on the line if the need arose and that meant having the enemy chuck bombs and bullets at them. The need has arisen and the servicemen and women are doing their duty. It matters not that war has been declared or not. The bullet ripping through your heart is just the same and does just the same killing.

Not a proper war eh? Just exactly what is a proper war?

Conscripts, on the other hand, had no option but to go and fight and most did so willingly so that we can speak in English, have civil rights and be able to whinge about this that and the other. And so that 18 years olds can pour scorn on the armed forces.

Many people do wonderful things for the country but only the armed forces are fired upon and bombed as part of their duty. The current and ex-servicmen and women deserve better than what they get.