Watch where your taking photo's round here!

[shakermaker]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

You are talking about a Christmas event & I bet other people were taking pictures too.

Then, surely, he was doing something different from the others; something suspicious. If a PC/PCSO is suspicious of any activity they must act accordingly and I'm glad they did.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by katex

Problem is ... nobody is a terrorist until they commit an act of terrorism, and we all grumble about the police not being able to do anything on stalkers say, until they strike.

Admit though, these guys must have been purposely acting overly suspicious, in order to attract the attention of the public and consequently the police.

Has the day come when a child, hypothetically throwing stones at a window, is spotted by the police and the said child, on being requested his name and address from a police officer, will spout out his rights ..

They already are !!!

[garinda]

'Police said they were justified in holding Bob Patefield for eight hours following concerns his actions may have been construed as 'anti-social or indecent’.'

'Mr Patefield was then stopped a second time by an officer who said she was concerned he was taking pictures 'sneakily and behind his back'.'

'He was then stopped as he walked to his car by an officer who said members of the public had been concerned.'

“After refusing to give his details to the officers, they withdrew but monitored the situation and felt justified in approaching him again when he continued to use his camera in the same way.'

"The constabulary does not routinely stop people taking photographs in a public place but the manner in which he was positioning his camera, and the way it was making some members of the public feel, could be construed as anti-social or indecent.'

“The gentleman refused to co-operate on three occasions and so officers felt they had no choice but to make an arrest in order to make further inquiries into his actions."
Police defend arrest of Colne photographer taking pictures in Accrington (From Lancashire Telegraph)





When now know why he refused to give his details, because he's a member of Tír Na Saor - Freemen of Ireland, an organisation which advocates noncooperation with our police force, and featues videos of people dressed as terrorists.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cashman

a harmless divvy, that is a member of a group that dresses up like terrorists, who obviously did not go down accy wi innocent intentions, that dont cut it wi me, its you that wants to open yer eyes dave.

The same could be said about some football Supporters Cashy, all dress the same doesn't mean they are the same. As Garinda said in a post not so long back to Ken Moss about making generalisations & preconceived ideas, just because....

[garinda]

Originally Posted by shakermaker

Then, surely, he was doing something different from the others; something suspicious.

Taking photographs behind his back perhaps?

Most people wouldn't be too happy if they, or their families and children, felt targeted by a camera in that position.

As was stated earlier, there have been plenty of cases of perverts taking photographs up women's skirts in a similar way.

Members of the public felt uneasy enough to report their concerns to the police, and rightly so.

That of course was their intention that day.

They could continue their crusade against our police, as examplified by the content in the videos from the group Tír Na Saor - Freemen of Ireland, of which Mr. Patefield is a member.

[DaveinGermany]

Ok, so when he was pulled in it was for "non cooperation" after first trying for what ..."Terrorism" then "anti social behaviour" a far cry from Terrorism the act of non cooperation, as to belonging to this Irish group is that also outlawed or illegal ?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

The same could be said about some football Supporters Cashy, all dress the same doesn't mean they are the same. As Garinda said in a post not so long back to Ken Moss about making generalisations & preconceived ideas, just because....

nothing pre-concieved he was behaving differently to other people wi cameras, so therefore suspicious to some members of public, who reported it. if he was behaving same as others wi cameras do ya honestly think people would bother? wake up n smell the coffee.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

The same could be said about some football Supporters Cashy, all dress the same doesn't mean they are the same. As Garinda said in a post not so long back to Ken Moss about making generalisations & preconceived ideas, just because....

Of course the people spouting noncooperation with our police are dressed as 'terrorists'. There's no evidence they are, but the fact they dress this way is another form of sensationalism, and evidence of them being crass, and anti-social.

Just because someone wears a donkey mask on his head, doesn't mean he's an Ass...necessarily.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cashman

nothing pre-concieved he was behaving differently to other people wi cameras, so therefore suspicious to some members of public, who reported it. if he was behaving same as others wi cameras do ya honestly think people would bother? wake up n smell the coffee.

How differently ? think about this, they've tried to pull him for one thing it hasn't had the desired effect, he's not backing down, Authority has to be seen to still mean Authority, so this continues until they pull him in.

Now don't tell me this isn't likely of the Police, they are under pressure to get results hit targets set by the Government, this was borne out not so long back in the thread ref Myleene Klass waving a Knife from inside her house ! she was charged !! So it is not beyond the Police to look for an easy touch & this Divvy with his Camera was just that !

[cashman]

why him out of all the people taking photos, if he was behaving the same as the others, its that simple.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

as to belonging to this Irish group is that also outlawed or illegal ?

No, but when the group states...

'We aim to educate ourselves and others on the true nature and purpose of Law; how it applies to you and how to go about taking your life back.'

'We are purely trying to bring information to people so they can peacefully take back their countries, and take back their power.'


and features videos of people dressed as terrorists, proclaiming not to cooperate with our police force, and that a member of said group acts intentionally provocatively, then it's quite clear this man had an agenda the day he came to Accrington, and it wasn't to see Father Christmas.

[katex]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

They already are !!!

I suspect not many children would refuse their details to a Police Officer Dave, only children with 'bad' parents who teach them to pull their tongue out at authority.

A good parent would teach their child that they are the force that can help them in times of trouble or take them home if they had done something wrong, to let their parents know what they have been up to, to avoid a further recurrence of bad behaviour. Guess this guy wasn't 'brought up proper' ...

I bet all the parents on Accyweb would agree with me.

[garinda]

It's bloody do gooders, more concerned with the rights of terrorists, 'human rights', 'civil liberties', and the right to waste the time of the upholders of the law, that plays right into the terrorist's hands.

As well as putting lives at risk, because the police have to waste time on these planks.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by garinda

Of course the people spouting noncooperation with our police are dressed as 'terrorists'. There's no evidence they are, but the fact they dress this way is another form of sensationalism, and evidence of them being crass, and anti-social.

Just because someone wears a donkey mask on his head, doesn't mean he's an Ass...necessarily.

Thank you for that ..... I think !

so we've now gone from Terrorism, anti social behaviour, Non Cooperation to Sensationalism ?? Fathers for Justice Dress up as Batman & Robin, Superman they are out to make a point ?? agreed ?? they aren't violent just getting attention for a cause they feel strongly about..... making a point ?

Couldn't the same be being applied here ? He may dress up funny (there is no proof of this) he wasn't violent just adamant about his position, & finally making a point about the use of myriad laws that have been brought in over the last 13 years which are binding the British Public ?

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by katex

I suspect not many children would refuse their details to a Police Officer Dave, only children with 'bad' parents who teach them to pull their tongue out at authority.

A good parent would teach their child that they are the force that can help them in times of trouble or take them home if they had done something wrong, to let their parents know what they have been up to, to avoid a further recurrence of bad behaviour. Guess this guy wasn't 'brought up proper' ...

I bet all the parents on Accyweb would agree with me.

Probably quite true Katex but the only time you see these kids on the News reports they're the "Bad ones" from (broken homes ?) run down estates & if the Coppers turn up on the door they get a mouthful of abuse, from the parents let alone the Kids.