were is the "line" ? - Page 5

garinda · 24-03-2009, 17:38

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Originally Posted by jaysay

The thing is Rindi, its very rare to hear of positive discrimination being prosecuted, as opposed to the other way round

The figures are there.

Racist attacks are reported, and people are prosecuted, whatever the racial background of the victim, and that includes white victims too.

MargaretR · 24-03-2009, 17:43

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Originally Posted by garinda

The figures are there.

Racist attacks are reported, and people are prosecuted, whatever the racial background of the victim, and that includes white victims too.

So the true facts are being distorted by the media reports.
Doing that escalates the resentment in the group under-reported

garinda · 24-03-2009, 17:43

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Originally Posted by jaysay

The thing is Rindi, its very rare to hear of positive discrimination being prosecuted, as opposed to the other way round

'Nearly half of all victims of racially motivated murders in the last decade have been white, according to official figures released by the Home Office.The data, released under Freedom of Information legislation, shows that between 1995 and 2004 there have been 58 murders where the police consider a racial element played a key part. Out of these, 24 have been where the murder victim was white'

'The figures also overturn the assumption that almost all racial murders are committed against ethnic minority victims.'

Racial murders: nearly half the victims are white | UK news | The Observer

Mancie · 25-03-2009, 00:28

thanks for the stats Garinda.. but "nearly half" would be 27.. I'm not about to get drawn into statistics about racial attacks... the original question has been answered by many people... and god help us.

cashman · 25-03-2009, 00:32

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

So the true facts are being distorted by the media reports.
Doing that escalates the resentment in the group under-reported

Has that not always been the case with most things?

garinda · 25-03-2009, 00:34

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Originally Posted by Mancie

thanks for the stats Garinda.. but "nearly half" would be 27.. I'm not about to get drawn into statistics about racial attacks... the original question has been answered by many people... and god help us.

They are the statistics, the facts.

I was just wanting to show that the laws we have are there to protect everyone, regardless of the colour of the victim or the attacker.

Taggy · 25-03-2009, 09:59

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Originally Posted by Mancie

thanks for the stats Garinda.. but "nearly half" would be 27.. I'm not about to get drawn into statistics about racial attacks... the original question has been answered by many people... and god help us.

Statistics or Propaganda, which is best?? Lets leave it for Harry Hill!

Best Regards - Taggy

jaysay · 25-03-2009, 10:22

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Originally Posted by garinda

They are the statistics, the facts.

I was just wanting to show that the laws we have are there to protect everyone, regardless of the colour of the victim or the attacker.

Remember the saying Rindi there are lies Damn lies and statistics, you can make statistics say anything you want, just depends who or what organisations are compiling them

garinda · 25-03-2009, 11:12

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Remember the saying Rindi there are lies Damn lies and statistics, you can make statistics say anything you want, just depends who or what organisations are compiling them

I'm just giving the facts.

The facts show that there are white victims of racist crimes, and anyone who trys to make out that the laws are there just to protect a particular group are wrong.

garinda · 25-03-2009, 11:33

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Remember the saying Rindi there are lies Damn lies and statistics, you can make statistics say anything you want, just depends who or what organisations are compiling them

Here's a nice example illusrating the laws relating to racial crimes being used to prosecute a Scot, whose victim was English.

Drunk shouted racist abuse at English doctor - Airdrie & Coatbridge Advertiser

jaysay · 25-03-2009, 12:12

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Originally Posted by garinda

Here's a nice example illusrating the laws relating to racial crimes being used to prosecute a Scot, whose victim was English.

Drunk shouted racist abuse at English doctor - Airdrie & Coatbridge Advertiser

Very interesting Rindi, but I thought that's what most Scots call us sasanachs

Its surprising whilst reading the article how some memories were roused, Airdrie Coatbridge, Monklands and Cumbernauld are all places I work with Lancashire Barfitters many moons ago

garinda · 25-03-2009, 12:37

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Very interesting Rindi, but I thought that's what most Scots call us sasanachs

Its surprising whilst reading the article how some memories were roused, Airdrie Coatbridge, Monklands and Cumbernauld are all places I work with Lancashire Barfitters many moons ago

I lived there for three years and can't say I ever felt racially abused.

Mind you they probably didn't know I was English, and just presumed I was from another planet.

Gayle · 25-03-2009, 14:05

I don't doubt the statistics although they haven't factored in the breakdown of the population. We have roughly 10% Asian population in the UK, so the proportion of murders of Asians in a racist attack is higher than the rest of the 90%.

jaysay · 25-03-2009, 17:21

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Originally Posted by garinda

I lived there for three years and can't say I ever felt racially abused.

Mind you they probably didn't know I was English, and just presumed I was from another planet.

Well to be quite honest I've often though that too Rindi

jaysay · 25-03-2009, 17:22

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Originally Posted by Gayle

I don't doubt the statistics although they haven't factored in the breakdown of the population. We have roughly 10% Asian population in the UK, so the proportion of murders of Asians in a racist attack is higher than the rest of the 90%.

Shushhhhhhhhhhhhh Gayle you've rumbled it