What A Horrendous Twenty Four Hours

[Eric]

Originally Posted by cashman

read a report today,our wonderful home secretary jaqui smith is saying that will be more beneficial for those convicted of knife crime to be taken to hospitals,to see people who are in with knife wounds,so they can see the damage they cause, this would be more beneficial than sending them to jail. what planet is this " Silly Bitch" living on?

I don't care what planet she is on, I want to know what drugs she is on so that I can get some

[steeljack]

Originally Posted by Eric

, in Canada, violent crime is on the decrease ... about 500 murders per year ... not bad for a country of 30 million .... .

So far this year we have had 71 in Oakland alone (I live about ten miles south) the 2007 tally was 127 , over the bridge in San Francisco the tally is 53 to date this year and 96 for 2007, in over 85% of the cases the dead were all young black or hispanic males, gang members, low education, poor employment records and coincidentally most were from either single parent or broken families with no father figures in their lives .
Don't know if stats in the UK reflect a similar situation or if its not PC to comment on them .

[Eric]

Originally Posted by steeljack

So far this year we have had 71 in Oakland alone (I live about ten miles south) the 2007 tally was 127 , over the bridge in San Francisco the tally is 53 to date this year and 96 for 2007, in over 85% of the cases the dead were all young black or hispanic males, gang members, low education, poor employment records and coincidentally most were from either single parent or broken families with no father figures in their lives .
Don't know if stats in the UK reflect a similar situation or if its not PC to comment on them .

Don't really have to comment ... the stats talk for themselves ... I did read somewhere that homicide is the leading (or second leading) cause of death among black males. Same thing happens in the GTA ... the only thing that draws any comment is when some innocent, usually white, bystander gets caught in the crossfire ... might be worth mentioning that when you cram a bunch of humanity into a small area the crap hits the fan in a big way ... and in the parts of the cities that are home to poor immigrants or minorities it is even worse ... like if you go to TO, avoid Jane and Finch area .... I think there is a line in a Billy Joel song, that goes something like "I walked thro' Bedford-Stuy alone": not a wise thing to do even on a good day And I wouldn't want to slow down at an intersection in some parts of Detroit .... but just across the water in Windsor, ON, which has a low number of immigrants and few minorities, the murder rate is low .... screw pcism, the stats do the talking.

[Bonnyboy]

Originally Posted by cashman

read a report today,our wonderful home secretary jaqui smith is saying that will be more beneficial for those convicted of knife crime to be taken to hospitals,to see people who are in with knife wounds,so they can see the damage they cause, this would be more beneficial than sending them to jail. what planet is this " Silly Bitch" living on?

The story is here - Shock tactics for knife carriers


If she really thinks that that will be effective she needs removing from her post.

To further the humour content, to oversee the measures the copper in charge will be officer Alf Hitchcock

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Bonnyboy

The story is here - Shock tactics for knife carriers


If she really thinks that that will be effective she needs removing from her post.

To further the humour content, to oversee the measures the copper in charge will be officer Alf Hitchcock

And no doubt the hospital will be Bates Memorial

What next; letting paedophiles into elementary schools to confront them with the innocence they will ruin if they continue in their wicked ways

And isn't there some law over there stating that MPs and ministers of the crown have to come from Earth

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by Eric

And isn't there some law over there stating that MPs and ministers of the crown have to come from Earth

Yes Eric........I'ts called a General Election to prove that they are actually human.
The sooner the better to get these clowns out of office.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Bonnyboy

The story is here - Shock tactics for knife carriers


If she really thinks that that will be effective she needs removing from her post.

To further the humour content, to oversee the measures the copper in charge will be officer Alf Hitchcock

gotta say,can see some mileage in the idea IF they are taken from PRISON to see victims,also take em to the morgue to see a stiff thats bin stabbed, then ask em if they like being inside, THEN tell em- next offence fer carrying will result in a damn site longer inside, there will always be a percentage that will not give a damn, but MANY will not re-offend of that i am sure, so the government should stop bullshi**** us get off the pot n get real.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Royboy39

Yes Eric........I'ts called a General Election to prove that they are actually human.
The sooner the better to get these clowns out of office.

Know what you mean .... take a good look at the average bunch of politicians and anarchy starts to look attractive

Punish them at the polls .... we poor, ignorant colonials, in one day of voting, eradicated Canada's oldest political party, the party of Canada's first PM, Sir John A. Macdonald ....

I agree with the Chartists; annual parliaments, that will make the bastards accountable.

[Bonnyboy]

Originally Posted by Eric

Know what you mean .... take a good look at the average bunch of politicians and anarchy starts to look attractive

Great line

[Eric]

Originally Posted by cashman

gotta say,can see some mileage in the idea IF they are taken from PRISON to see victims,also take em to the morgue to see a stiff thats bin stabbed, then ask em if they like being inside, THEN tell em- next offence fer carrying will result in a damn site longer inside, there will always be a percentage that will not give a damn, but MANY will not re-offend of that i am sure, so the government should stop bullshi**** us get off the pot n get real.

I just don't see the point of using victims, people who have already suffered more than enough, to do the work that government should be doing. And the "stiff" is the mortal remains of someone who has family and friends; if the corpse were that of someone close to me, I would not want it wheeled out as an object lesson to a complete waste of skin.

I don't know the answer, which is ok because I don't get paid mega bucks to know, but I still don't think getting tougher on crime is the complete answer. Look at the US, no democratic country is as tough on crime as the Americans are; and look at their crime rate .... it's through the bloody roof .... the thought of the chair, or lethal injection, or fifty years on your knees in front of bubba, doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent

[BERNADETTE]

Agree with Eric on this one, why should victims of stabbings be used to show these morons that they are wrong?? Another case of the perpertrator having more rights than the victim IMO.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Eric

I just don't see the point of using victims, people who have already suffered more than enough, to do the work that government should be doing. And the "stiff" is the mortal remains of someone who has family and friends; if the corpse were that of someone close to me, I would not want it wheeled out as an object lesson to a complete waste of skin.

I don't know the answer, which is ok because I don't get paid mega bucks to know, but I still don't think getting tougher on crime is the complete answer. Look at the US, no democratic country is as tough on crime as the Americans are; and look at their crime rate .... it's through the bloody roof .... the thought of the chair, or lethal injection, or fifty years on your knees in front of bubba, doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent

know what ya mean eric, but ya are talking yanks here.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Agree with Eric on this one, why should victims of stabbings be used to show these morons that they are wrong?? Another case of the perpertrator having more rights than the victim IMO.

the remark was tongue in cheek, the point being they need to get tough with the scumbags, unless of coarse you n eric wanna reward em wi an holiday or summat.

[BERNADETTE]

Originally Posted by cashman

the remark was tongue in cheek, the point being they need to get tough with the scumbags, unless of coarse you n eric wanna reward em wi an holiday or summat.

Course I will, how much is it not going to cost me?? But do you not agree that the initial proposal is just utterly stupid?? Just wonder what sort of life this woman lives if she thinks that victims want visits from their attackers!!!

[Eric]

Originally Posted by cashman

the remark was tongue in cheek, the point being they need to get tough with the scumbags, unless of coarse you n eric wanna reward em wi an holiday or summat.

A holiday would be great .... I'm sure one of HM's prisons would be more than happy to put them up. I just don't think punishment is too much of a deterrent to dedicated scumbags .... and cranking up the level of punishment does not seem to work; I mean, if the death penalty doesn't deter murderers, there's not much else in the way of punishment that one can try .... torture, hanging drawing and quartering, might be the way some want to go; but I don't think the cutesie suggestion of your Home Sec will work, it's a joke.

And the answer to the problem is: I've no idea, I don't, as I mentioned, get the big bucks to come up with an answer .... but it seems that for all the millions that politicians get paid, they should come up with something better than a nickle and dime solution.