what an eyesore

[accyman]

i havnt had reason to drive through clayton for some time and i was aware the council were putting a very much un-enforcable 20phh speed limit through the entire area of hyndburn on side streets but what a mess it looks having all these 20mph signs on the end of every street it looks a right propper mess and god knows how much it cost putting all these extra signs up.

we didnt need speed limit signs on every single street when it was 30mph and im pretty sure all it needed was a mention in teh press and a big sign saying side streets are 20mph as you enter hyndburn right next to the ones saying welcome to hyndburn but i guess thats just not expensive enough and too much common sense involved.

As for enforcing it i doubt anyone will be prosecuted for doing over 20mph on a side street unless they start putting speed cameras on side streets because if by some miracle a copper is in teh area by the time they have calculated the speed of a car it will have either reached its destination or turned off.

just seems a huge waste of money and probably thought up by some half wit trying to justify the existence of his job

Hell you have to be mental to risk doing anything over 20mph on a side street in hyndburn anyway because the side streets are in such a mess you will damage your car if you do.

Maybe rip down teh signs and put them over the many potholes in our streets i dare say there arnt many residents in hynburn that are more than 50ft away from a pot hole.

If any people of a van driving variety take a liking to these signs wont object if they turn up in a scrap metal yard somewhere abroad waiting to be turned into something usefull

[maxthecollie]

We have had 20mph for a few years in our area bounded by Sandy Lane , Burnley Road, Alice Street and Abbey Street. Some of the Parents on the school run coming to St. Annes school in Sandy Lane still treat it as a race track when bringing their children to school. It is not enforcible.

[Ken Moss]

It is Lancashire County Council who are putting the signs up everywhere, HBC have nothing to do with it.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

It is Lancashire County Council who are putting the signs up everywhere, HBC have nothing to do with it.

But whos money is paying fer this nonsense?

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by cashman

But whos money is paying fer this nonsense?

Yours and mine, as ever.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Yours and mine, as ever.

Nowt changes much then. missed yeh down town yesterday morning.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by cashman

But whos money is paying fer this nonsense?

Ours of course but if we are not happy we should be telling our County Councillors.

I guess they have to put up so many signs because of any street with regular street lighting and no speed limit signs is a 30mph area. It explains it well on this web page

Speed Limit Markings

Every street that is 20mph will have to have signs or it would still be 30mph

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Neil

Ours of course but if we are not happy we should be telling our County Councillors.

I guess they have to put up so many signs because of any street with regular street lighting and no speed limit signs is a 30mph area. It explains it well on this web page

Speed Limit Markings

Every street that is 20mph will have to have signs or it would still be 30mph

Yeh neil but as it aint enforceable and never likely to be whats the point? have seen very few doin 20 or less in areas thats had em fer yonks.

[Neil]

I don't like rules that are un enforceable but these 20mph limits are perfectly legal and enforceable. Personally I don't have a problem with 20mph limits in built up housing areas but the police must do their job and enforce these new limits.

I am waiting for the big lists of motorists in the Observer who are in court for speeding. I think I will have a long wait though because I think the police will choose not to enforce them. What they should be doing is setting up speed traps in the new 20mph areas to make people adhere to the speed limit.

[Less]

My area has been 20mph for years, as mentioned pot holes and of course expensive speed humps, then the fact that every street has cars parked either side of the road, makes that the most sensible maximum speed to travel at safely.
Anyone travelling any faster and there are a few, deserve to be fined.

[accyman]

we already have 20mph zones plenty indicated by white paint on the tarmac or on the many speed bumps theres no need for signs all over the place.As for enforcement the police may have a purge for a few weeks to show willing but i doubt we will see regular monitoring by the traffic police up and down our side streets they dont have the man power or the inclination to do so.

its not the 20mph that bothers me i think its a good idea but the way it has been done is slapdash and very poorly thought out.I doubt we will see any lists of people getting prosecuted for breaking 20mph unless they have a little purge like they did with the booster seat law for kids which lasted around 2 weeks .

councils and governments keep making these new rules but no extra police to enforce them infact police numbers keep getting reduced

[garinda]

Just drive faster.

Then they'll just be a blur, and you won't see them.



I'm sure I read that some areas have experimented by removing most unnecessary street furniture, signs etc, and there were noticably less accidents.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

Just drive faster.

Then they'll just be a blur, and you won't see them.



I'm sure I read that some areas have experimented by removing most unnecessary street furniture, signs etc, and there were noticably less accidents.

Yes, in some areas accidents apparently fell by 43%.

Shared space - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[susie123]

I've always thought the shared space idea is a good one - but it took 9 years to get the Cromwell Road scheme in London set up so heaven knows how long it would take for a town-wide scheme to come into being!

Shame places like Accy don't have cobbles any more, that would slow the vehicles down. In Bruges in Belgium, all the central streets are cobbled - it looks nice, and it keeps the traffic to a sensible speed which doesn't interfere with the pedestrians.

[katex]

Have contacted my personal consultant on this matter Here is the reply.


'This is not an obligation. Some authorities have a 'blanket' 20mph limit on side streets by-law. 20mph is impossible to enforce anyway. The speed guns can't differentiate speeds as accurately at that level and consequently the police refuse to enforce them. Hence the need for traffic calming, speed bumps etc.

The 20mph signing in residential areas is pretty much a nonsense. It doesn't force drivers to drive slower (unless there are accompanying speed bumps) and won't be enforced. However it is relatively low cost and makes politicians look good... even though in reality it does nothing without the traffic calming (which then increases the costs significantly).
'