What is happening to our judicial system? - Page 4

garinda · 17-08-2005, 01:29

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

Now that makes it more intesting

A story is always more intersting when all the facts are made available to the public.

PILKYBUSDRIVER · 17-08-2005, 01:30

I think ur all confusing the SS with the SAS.We all know that it must have taken a lot of time and alot of unfortunate events to take place for this situation to arise.I just get the impression that people see a child being ripped from the grasp of a parents arms and i think they are so naive because they would not do that without just cause.

garinda · 17-08-2005, 01:36

As sad as this case first seems, I would much rather see a child in care rather than in a coffin, which has happened in quite a few high profile cases were the parent's or guardian's neglect and/or cruelty has resulted in children loosing their lives.

Tinkerbelle · 17-08-2005, 01:47

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Originally Posted by garinda

As sad as this case first seems, I would much rather see a child in care rather than in a coffin, which has happened in quite a few high profile cases were the parent's or guardian's neglect and/or cruelty has resulted in children loosing their lives.

How can you make a similarity with this mother being slow and dead children in high profile cases. Those people are murderers not slow!

garinda · 17-08-2005, 02:02

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Originally Posted by Tinkerbelle

How can you make a similarity with this mother being slow and dead children in high profile cases. Those people are murderers not slow!

Children have died because Social Services didn't pick up on abuse that's all I'm saying.

If the story is correct, and we do have all the facts it's a disgrace.

Doug · 17-08-2005, 02:28

All too often we jump to conclusion before the full facts are known. I haven’t personally followed this particular case, but I have been aware of a few others, quite often these cases start out at the hands of well meaning but ill educated busy bodies, they think they know something or assume that they know better and this often results in a concern being interpreted as a complaint. It never ceases to amaze me how the rights of one individual can be withdrawn on back of the unjust assumption of lack of capability, life experience or parenting skills, particularly in this client group.

What I am about to say, I don’t say it to be offensive to any one individual or group who do bring up there children both successfully and respectfully, but we suffer from a perverted sense of what’s right and wrong in this country, in particular within the social welfare sector.

We allow, underage, struggling mothers to keep a child because it’s deemed to be right, even if that child suffers, “it happens” the same is acceptable in respect of non heterosexual parents, it appears to be acceptable for a gay couple of either sex to bring up a child even form new born and call it normal? Yet, it is not acceptable for someone whom is loving and protective of their children but might be a little slow but cognitively conscious.

It’s time we got a grip of ourselves; it’s time that justice had an overall. Perverts can live were they want in anonymity, because they have rights? A family who are reportedly caring and attentive don’t and have there children removed? Time for change………..

Busman747 · 17-08-2005, 06:25

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Originally Posted by PILKYBUSDRIVER

I just get the impression that people see a child being ripped from the grasp of a parents arms and i think they are so naive because they would not do that without just cause.

You have obviously had no dealings of this nature with the S.S. Pilkie, Yes, they will do that without just cause!

Margaret Pilkington · 17-08-2005, 19:01

Pilkybusdriver......it wasn't in the Sun.....or The Daily Mirror. And this is not the first set of parents to have their children removed without consent.
This woman with the IQ of 60 had been caring adequately for the children, they were loved, the home was clean, they were well fed......and they were where they should be.......that's with their parents. The father was providing for them and helping in the caring for them. And whatever you say, it is a travesty to remove children from their parents when they have been with them for 4years and 16 months respectively.

If the Social Services thought that these people were not capable of looking after the children why were they not removed soon after birth?

Margaret Pilkington · 17-08-2005, 19:11

Nobody takes the children away from deaf or blind parents.......and you could say that these parents were lacking in the 'anticipatory' parenting skills.

The hearing was held in a closed court.......and the couple were told allegedly by social workers that if they told anyone what was going on then they would definitely lose their children.
A local MP is looking at this case at present.......and the family are said to be consulting lawyers with a view to taking this case to the European Commission for Human Rights.

The point I was trying to make in the original thread was: Much is made of the Human Rights of the people who preach hate......and the people who would terrorise our population, but it appears the Human Rights of this family have been trodden into the dirt.
Equality.....no sign of it here.

lettie · 17-08-2005, 19:32

Whenever child proceedings take place and there is any possibility of the children being taken away, the parents are actively encouraged by SS to seek the aid of a solicitor. It is the norm for SS to give the parents information about solicitors specialising in family law. It doesn't sound like this was done in this particular case.

I have been at enough case conferences over the last 10 years to know......

simon · 17-08-2005, 19:57

Very true lettie, but are these solicitors REALLY in a position to question, The Court, The specialists (

), or the facts (

) that the Social Service come up with ??

Most of these solicitors earn a good wage from these recommendations from the court.....

Margaret Pilkington · 18-09-2005, 20:09

An update on this story......the adoption of the children has been put on hold as the couple have been granted the right to appeal. I hope they have a good brief to act for them!

West Ender · 18-09-2005, 20:19

So do I. Better a loving parent who isn't the sharpest knife in the box than the bright one who doesn't give a damn about the children.

Tinkerbelle · 18-09-2005, 20:31

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

An update on this story......the adoption of the children has been put on hold as the couple have been granted the right to appeal. I hope they have a good brief to act for them!

Isn't the media just bloody amazing sometimes

! There's so much interest in this case now that there's no room for any SS mistakes, if them kiddies truly should be with their parents I think they will be now.

slinky · 18-09-2005, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Tinkerbelle

Isn't the media just bloody amazing sometimes

! There's so much interest in this case now that there's no room for any SS mistakes, if them kiddies truly should be with their parents I think they will be now.

I just hope if these kiddies, get placed back with the parents, that the f******** social services get what they deserve. And I sincerely mean that.
It's OK people getting high and mighty, saying that the " social services" are wonderful, they help children escape miserable lives etc..........................

Yeah and they can also destroy a whole family in one swoop as well. And until you have children of your own, there is no possible way, you will ever feel the SHEER PAIN that this poor family is going through, if they are the decent people that the paper say they are.

People with learning difficulties, have as much right as the next person to be Loving, caring, protective parents. Just because they have difficulties, does not warrant DISCRIMINATION........... and that's what it is.