What would this cost us - Page 5

SPUGGIE J · 15-11-2005, 21:36

No comment I would be in deep water if I did. Anyway if giving them what for on a regular basis helps the town then we could call her tornado or typoon.

Gayle · 15-11-2005, 21:36

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Perhaps another name change is in the offing...."Gayle Force"?

Better than the old nickname used for me by my Grandma - Grandparents can be so cruel sometimes!

Acrylic-bob · 15-11-2005, 21:38

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Better than the old nickname used for me by my Grandma - Grandparents can be so cruel sometimes!

I shudder to think what it might be

park381 · 15-11-2005, 21:40

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Probably the same place they find the hundreds of pounds they spend on Fireworks and tattoos and gel-nails and getting rat-arsed at the weekend; The DSS!

As has been commented on before, the reason why HBC do not do so well in the Official Handouts Stakes is because the ethnic, one-legged, lesbian, dyslexic, single-parent, who usually puts the bids together has been on extended sick leave for the last ten years. I will leave speculation on what he or she is actually sick of to you.

From those comments a-b I take it you are not to happy with the staff of HBC

Gayle · 15-11-2005, 21:41

I know! And I'm not likely to tell you so let's stick to Gayle Force - I quite like that!

SPUGGIE J · 15-11-2005, 21:43

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I know! And I'm not likely to tell you so let's stick to Gayle Force - I quite like that!

Is that to be the election slogan or something else?

park381 · 15-11-2005, 21:44

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Originally Posted by Gayle

What HBC needs in post is a funder finder (this is not a plug for me because it's far too big a job for me to do along with all the other stuff I do - and am hoping to do). Other councils have them and what they do is trawl through all the stuff, in much the same way as I do, and then apply for the funds or pass the forms on to the groups that have the opportunity to apply for them. Then they work with that group to secure the funding.

First job real funder finders have to do is ensure that there is sufficient funding to keep their post open!

Thought HBC had a fund finder in post ? the last part of the post goes without saying

SPUGGIE J · 15-11-2005, 21:46

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Thought HBC had a fund finder in post ? the last part of the post goes without saying

Better sack the blighter the job they are doing to get funds is shocking.

Acrylic-bob · 15-11-2005, 22:37

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Originally Posted by park381

From those comments a-b I take it you are not to happy with the staff of HBC

It must be admitted that "happy" and "HBC" are not concepts which sit in harmony in my mind.

Graham Jones · 15-11-2005, 23:06

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Agree with you there spuggie, as we are at the moment HBC has one of the lowest council taxes in East Lancs, any move to "join" with other areas would result in rises in council tax, and possible poorer service delivery

Thought I would add some research to this debate and let readers draw their own conclusions.

Note; Hyndburns debts [to banks] has risen from £10m to £27m under PB. Thats a debt per each Hyndburn household of £813 up from £318 under George Slynn. I mention this because other authorities owe less but have a higher Council Tax.

Note 2; In 2004 Hyndburn BC services were cut by 8% and in 2005 by 15%.

BAND A
Hyndburn £866
Burnley £886
Ribble Valley £840
Blackburn £849 *** UNITARY ***
Rossendale £893
Pendle £890

Figures April 2005 - March 2006
http://www.upmystreet.com/home-review/council-tax/

Graham Jones · 15-11-2005, 23:19

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Following on from a-b's observations, lets assume that we had "got rid" of LCC and were now part of a Unitary authority, say Blackburn with Darwen who now look after and administer all services including education, social services, library services etc. Would you be prepared to pay more through your council tax for that privilege. If we look at the current council tax charges of BwD and HBC we would find that in BwD they pay more in each council tax band, since band D is the base line and all other bands are calculated from D we would see that in band D BwD pay £73.05 more per year, the bottom end of the scale band A would be £48.69 more, the top end of the scale band H would be £146.10 more.
I am not saying I am in favour of the existing 2 tier system, just presenting some facts to the thread.

Its hard to comment without being more knowledgeable but I can't see BwD having as poor and limited services as Hyndburn residents receive overall.

On a seperate note. Both LCC and HBC have overlapped services Parky. Payroll, Highways, Engineering, Planning, Corporate Services, Democratic Services, IT, Environmental Services, maybe not Libraries but you forgot Museums to name a few. And where their isn't direct overlap there has to be consultation and negotiation and legal and financial exchanges. Added to this is a Labour LCC and Conservative HBC which means there can be a lack of direction. Where there is no clear resposibility for either; public transport and strategic housing we have ELEVATE and ELP. All with their own management, increased overheads and some duplicity particularly in back office bureacracy.

SPUGGIE J · 16-11-2005, 07:40

If they were to become a single entity what would the true cost be as extra staff would be required?

park381 · 16-11-2005, 08:31

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Originally Posted by Graham Jones

BAND A
Hyndburn £866
Burnley £886
Ribble Valley £840
Blackburn £849 *** UNITARY ***
Rossendale £893
Pendle £890

Figures April 2005 - March 2006
http://www.upmystreet.com/home-review/council-tax/

I will hold my hand up there Graham, the figures I quoted for HBC were taken direct from HBC's web site, as ever the site is not up to date, the figures I quoted were for 2002/03 did not notice the date