Where will this madness end?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Anyway, here's an update on the Christmas story:

Digital Christmas Story

Brilliant that T

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Very 'Xmas'. Very American. Very Funny!

Don't ya just love the Yanks

[Stumped]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Think you've got that in one Eric, its like that in this country, most people from other religions don't give a monkeys about how we celebrate Christmas, its just the same numpties saying what other races might think and getting it horribly wrong, the problem is, by their actions they are helping to fuel racial prejudice, but the dummies just can't see it

Spot on, Jaysay. You only have to look at the number of Asian households throughout the borough that are displaying Christmas Trees to pooh-pooh the stupidity of such a philosophy. Reckon it's time we made adhering to PC policies a capital offence.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Stumped

Spot on, Jaysay. You only have to look at the number of Asian households throughout the borough that are displaying Christmas Trees to pooh-pooh the stupidity of such a philosophy. Reckon it's time we made adhering to PC policies a capital offence.

Ya hang the stupid dogooders, that will sort out a load of problems

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Ya hang the stupid dogooders, that will sort out a load of problems

No you just ignore them, the worse thing you could do is hang them, nature abhors a vacuum and another lot of dogooders would automatically appear to fill the void, these replacements would probably be worse than the first lot. (New broom syndrome).

[jedimaster]

in all fairness I am not of a religious nature (to put it mildly!) and as such do not celebrate christmas as such but rather the midwinter festival and yuletide. Although I do not wish the religious rubbish of ANY denomination rammed down my child's throat I enter into the spirit of the time of year with santa claus and trees and decorations etc.. I also understand that as a multicultural society (whether I believe it should be or not) we must endeavour to accept religious differences Ie. you have your beliefs and I have mine and our forefathers fought and died for us to have that luxury. As such schools must be seen to include all faiths into the festivities of this time of year and as such we now have multicultural dramatic interpretations to watch instead of the more traditional. What I do not agree with is the forceful way in which our children are led, and in some cases forced to believe that the fairy tale/myth/legend (whichever you wish to call it) that is the nativity and other stories (ergo the bible) is a true historical fact even though it defies all logic and scientific discoveries of the last 2011 years.I do not mind it being taught that this is what SOME people believe along with other faiths, after all we must be tolerant to all cultures and beliefs. So yes why not celebrate midwinter and yuletide in a multicultural way so that everyone can enjoy it and not just those of (and I use the term loosely) "christian" beliefs that appear most prominent at this time of year.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by jedimaster

in all fairness I am not of a religious nature (to put it mildly!) and as such do not celebrate christmas as such but rather the midwinter festival and yuletide. Although I do not wish the religious rubbish of ANY denomination rammed down my child's throat I enter into the spirit of the time of year with santa claus and trees and decorations etc.. I also understand that as a multicultural society (whether I believe it should be or not) we must endeavour to accept religious differences Ie. you have your beliefs and I have mine and our forefathers fought and died for us to have that luxury. As such schools must be seen to include all faiths into the festivities of this time of year and as such we now have multicultural dramatic interpretations to watch instead of the more traditional. What I do not agree with is the forceful way in which our children are led, and in some cases forced to believe that the fairy tale/myth/legend (whichever you wish to call it) that is the nativity and other stories (ergo the bible) is a true historical fact even though it defies all logic and scientific discoveries of the last 2011 years.I do not mind it being taught that this is what SOME people believe along with other faiths, after all we must be tolerant to all cultures and beliefs. So yes why not celebrate midwinter and yuletide in a multicultural way so that everyone can enjoy it and not just those of (and I use the term loosely) "christian" beliefs that appear most prominent at this time of year.

You totally missed the point, the teacher was trying to obliterate Christmas, for fear of upseting other faiths, when other faiths don't give a monkeys.

[jedimaster]

no i haven't as I said, I do not agree with abolishing christmas in schools but I do believe it should be a multi-cultural event to INCLUDE all faiths and cultures and not forced christianity. I agree the teacher went TOO far.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I was in the B&M store in Preston recently and there were as many Asian families in there buying Christmas paraphernalia as other folk.......they put decorations up, and although they do not celebrate Christmas the way we do they buy presents for their children.

Many of the Christmas traditions are known to have their roots in pagan festivals, they were adopted by the church so that the pagans could be encompassed in the church and still follow some of the rituals.....making them feel 'at home' so to speak.

I do not mind when other cultures celebrate their religious festivals....Eid Diwali, just to mention two........these people do not mind us celebrating our religious festival....it is the meddling PC brigade who do my box in, by being offended for the other cultures, when the other cultures clearly are not offended at all.
I wish they would all go and boil their heads...and this is from someone who doesn't really like Christmas very much.
We should not steal the magic of Christmas from the children....it will disappear for them soon enough, and become just another commercial event.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I was in the B&M store in Preston recently and there were as many Asian families in there buying Christmas paraphernalia as other folk.......they put decorations up, and although they do not celebrate Christmas the way we do they buy presents for their children.

Many of the Christmas traditions are known to have their roots in pagan festivals, they were adopted by the church so that the pagans could be encompassed in the church and still follow some of the rituals.....making them feel 'at home' so to speak.

I do not mind when other cultures celebrate their religious festivals....Eid Diwali, just to mention two........these people do not mind us celebrating our religious festival....it is the meddling PC brigade who do my box in, by being offended for the other cultures, when the other cultures clearly are not offended at all.
I wish they would all go and boil their heads...and this is from someone who doesn't really like Christmas very much.
We should not steal the magic of Christmas from the children....it will disappear for them soon enough, and become just another commercial event.

Agreed Margaret - we have a Sikh and a Hindi family living on our farm and they decorate for Xmas and send each other presents, as it's what is done here...doesn't seem to bother them at all. In fact the kids are glad as they get presents.

[Alan Varrechia]

Perhaps they should change it's name to something more befitting to commercialism, instead of trying to pretend that it's still some form of religious festival.

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia

Perhaps they should change it's name to something more befitting to commercialism, instead of trying to pretend that it's still some form of religious festival.

I am indebted to the Christians, as reluctant as I am to celebrate this season of joy, I always get roped in and join in with some form of these celebrations, however, if I really, really, think about it...

Every time We celebrate it, the only people these days that are going to make anything from this season of joy are the Chinese, we pay a fortune every year for absolute tat, but we don't even get any money back on the empty containers we ship back to them.

How many billion of them are there?

What exactly is their religion?

Well it doesn't really matter, they are happy to allow us our culture, it's worth a fortune.

[jelly baby]

we are currently on holiday in the gambia which is a muslim country. there are xmas trees and decoration all over the place. the gambins go all out to make the holidaymakers feel welcome and are only too happy to share in the festivities. btw its 40c today and we are enjoying a beer at the poolside. its a hard life. back to reality monday.

[Margaret Pilkington]

In the newspaper yesterday there was a story about a Muslim woman who has been trying to get her husband the right to live in this country...they have been married for 37 years......she has lived here for 6 years and speaks very little english...the court case had to be conducted through the service of interpreters........and the case was thrown out because she told the court that her husband would never be able to learn English.

What the heck has this to do with Christmas I hear you ask?
This muslim woman said it was against her human rights for her to be separated from her husband at Christmas time.

Laughable isn't it?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

In the newspaper yesterday there was a story about a Muslim woman who has been trying to get her husband the right to live in this country...they have been married for 37 years......she has lived here for 6 years and speaks very little english...the court case had to be conducted through the service of interpreters........and the case was thrown out because she told the court that her husband would never be able to learn English.

What the heck has this to do with Christmas I hear you ask?
This muslim woman said it was against her human rights for her to be separated from her husband at Christmas time.

Laughable isn't it?

No doubt some dogooder will put her right and tell her its not Christmas but Winter Fest