Where will this madness end? - Page 5

jedimaster · 21-12-2011, 17:29

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Is there something wrong with you or summat, this ain't about you, its about dogooders telling the the indigenous population that we should change the name of Christmas in case it upsets ethic minorities from other religions, the only thing wrong with that is other religions don't give a toss and in a lot of cases celebrate Christmas themselves

nowt wrong with me mate, my simple point was that i can see both sides of the story, no christmas shouldn't be banned in case of offence but on the other hand christianity shouldn't be forced on people who have other beliefs. quite simple really

jedimaster · 21-12-2011, 17:36

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Originally Posted by garinda

Er...the Celts weren't idigenous to Britain.

They invaded these islands.

From where they originated, in what's now Switzerland and Austria, via southern France, and Spain.

think you need to alter your google searches gary, as they actually were a migratory race thought to originate from asia minor, invading and settling throughout europe making their way to britain, all before christianity came here

Margaret Pilkington · 21-12-2011, 17:39

I am not being fly here, but do you consider that Christianity is forced upon you......and if so what way??
I personally, would not consider that the wishing someone a Merry Christmas was forcing Christian beliefs at anyone...any more than the banners which proclaim Eid Greetings or Diwali greetings force those religions on anyone.
Now, if you lived in a muslim country and tried to practise a Chrisitan faith and were not allowed to do so....and were hounded to become muslim then that is an entirely different matter.
Muslims who convert to christianity(or any other faith) for that matter are guilty of Apostasy and can be killed for their beliefs.

In the main, I think that the UK is very tolerant of other religions.

jaysay · 21-12-2011, 18:45

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Originally Posted by jedimaster

nowt wrong with me mate, my simple point was that i can see both sides of the story, no christmas shouldn't be banned in case of offence but on the other hand christianity shouldn't be forced on people who have other beliefs. quite simple really

That's were your talking cobblers, we are actually talking about whats going on today not thousands of years ago, we have come a long way since then, but I can't remember anybody telling Muslims they have to change to christian beliefs, or change their festival of light or what ever its called to placate the christian majority in Britain, but we sure as hell here the word Christmas being changed to winter fest, because of the offence it may cause to other denominations, the only problem being its not the other denominations who are demanding it, its misguided dogooders second guessing, something that does more harm than good

Gordon Booth · 21-12-2011, 18:52

jedimaster,who were these Roman Cathlic invaders who imposed Christianity on us?
The Normans were the first Catholic invaders and we were already a Catholic nation by then!
I think you protest your neutrality overmuch!

Gordon Booth · 21-12-2011, 18:56

Also the Celts were always a European group of tribes- their language was one of a group of Indo European languages-that means they have a common basis of language not race or tribe!

claytonx · 21-12-2011, 18:59

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Originally Posted by jaysay

That's were your talking cobblers, we are actually talking about whats going on today not thousands of years ago, we have come a long way since then, but I can't remember anybody telling Muslims they have to change to christian beliefs, or change their festival of light or what ever its called to placate the christian majority in Britain, but we sure as hell here the word Christmas being changed to winter fest, because of the offence it may cause to other denominations, the only problem being its not the other denominations who are demanding it, its misguided dogooders second guessing, something that does more harm than good

That man speaks a lot of sense

susie123 · 21-12-2011, 19:40

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Originally Posted by jaysay

I can't remember anybody telling Muslims they have to change to christian beliefs, or change their festival of light or what ever its called to placate the christian majority in Britain

To be absolutely correct, the festival of light if you're talking about Diwali is Hindu not Muslim.The Jewish Hanukkah is also known as the Festival of Light(s).

Wynonie Harris · 21-12-2011, 20:07

I'm still waiting for these hordes of muslims who are supposedly somewhere in Daily Mail land, ready and waiting to stop me celebrating Christmas. Ain't seen any yet but I know they're out there!

jedimaster · 21-12-2011, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

jedimaster,who were these Roman Cathlic invaders who imposed Christianity on us?
The Normans were the first Catholic invaders and we were already a Catholic nation by then!
I think you protest your neutrality overmuch!

you have just answered your own question!

Gordon Booth · 21-12-2011, 20:29

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Originally Posted by jedimaster

you have just answered your own question!

?? If we were already Catholic they didn't impose it on us, did they?

Back on thread, if the different religeons all say 'Go ahead, celebrate Christmas how you like, we don't mind or care' where does the PC brigade get these silly ideas from? Is it a cunning plan to run down Christianity in this country( because they're atheists) but blame the other religeons for it happening?

jedimaster · 21-12-2011, 20:39

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Originally Posted by jaysay

That's were your talking cobblers, we are actually talking about whats going on today not thousands of years ago, we have come a long way since then, but I can't remember anybody telling Muslims they have to change to christian beliefs, or change their festival of light or what ever its called to placate the christian majority in Britain, but we sure as hell here the word Christmas being changed to winter fest, because of the offence it may cause to other denominations, the only problem being its not the other denominations who are demanding it, its misguided dogooders second guessing, something that does more harm than good

very much my way or the highway then, I thought the human race had evolved over the last 2000 or so years obviously I was wrong (or is that just another minority race?). However you want to dress it up we are a nation of multiple faiths and beliefs an have been for centuries, Hell even the christians can't agree on what they believe! hence the constant warring over it. As a modern and TOLERANT nation we must accept that change happens therefore schools and multi faith organisations are going to incorporate all religions and beliefs. MOVE WITH THE TIMES PEOPLE no-one is saying if you believe in jesus you can't celebrate it but what IS being said is that in a multi faith environment such as our schools adjustments will be made so no-one is left out and I can't see anything wrong with that!
I remember (and this in part will answer margaret's question) when I was at school ALL school assemblies were aimed at christianity and anyone not of the christian faith was made to stand at the back by the school office and not take part (with the parents agreement of course) in our school we had 1 jehova's witness and that poor girl was the ONLY person singled out, on her own now at the time we (or I at least) used to envy her not having to stand through those damn boring assemblies every morning, but thinking back I feel so sorry for her segregated from the rest of the school, she also couldn't take part in the festivities at christmas, AND THAT MY FRIENDS IS WHAT IS CHANGING. Instead of segregating individuals on a basis of race or faith, make the events inclusive! Here endeth the lesson.

susie123 · 21-12-2011, 20:42

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

?? If we were already Catholic they didn't impose it on us, did they?

Back on thread, if the different religeons all say 'Go ahead, celebrate Christmas how you like, we don't mind or care' where does the PC brigade get these silly ideas from? Is it a cunning plan to run down Christianity in this country( because they're atheists) but blame the other religeons for it happening?

I'm an atheist but I'd rather see Christmas celebrated with a Christian emphasis than all the tacky commercialism that goes with it these days. And let all the other faiths get on with their festivals as well.

Wynonie Harris · 21-12-2011, 20:54

If there's any vicars reading this thread, they must be jumping with joy. Who would've thought there were so many ardent Christians out there? I reckon the churches'll be full to overflowing next week!

Gordon Booth · 21-12-2011, 21:03

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

If there's any vicars reading this thread, they must be jumping with joy. Who would've thought there were so many ardent Christians out there? I reckon the churches'll be full to overflowing next week!

That's not what we're on about, Wyonie. I'm certainly not an ardent Christian and I won't be going to church but I do object to the traditions of those who are Christians being eroded, not by other religeons but by those who have appear to have none.