White Wash at Westminster - Page 3

Mancie · 02-02-2010, 23:52

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Originally Posted by Stumped

The loss of so many decent young men in a fruitless war that we can never win is a great source of regret as you rightly state. But WE invaded their territory on some cocked up political agenda, whereas Herr Hitler was intent on invading us. Therein lies the difference.

At least we can agree on something without getting into the usual degrading exchange of insults.

yes we did invaded Iraq and lets remember at that time there were polls showing 70% of the British public were in favour.. not one Tory MP voted against the proposal to go war.. now all of a sudden the roaches come out procliaming they were opposed to a war because we lost men and women and it was "illegal" retropective feeling are being turned into a party political broadcast by you and your bods on here.

Neil · 03-02-2010, 06:29

I think the reason people have changed there mind is because of the suggestion that we were lied to about the weapons of mass destruction.

Being wrong about them is different to knowing there were none but saying there were as an excuse for war.

Wynonie Harris · 03-02-2010, 08:54

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Originally Posted by Mancie

yes we did invaded Iraq and lets remember at that time there were polls showing 70% of the British public were in favour.. not one Tory MP voted against the proposal to go war.. now all of a sudden the roaches come out procliaming they were opposed to a war because we lost men and women and it was "illegal" retropective feeling are being turned into a party political broadcast by you and your bods on here.

I love the way you've assidously avoided criticizing the glaring deficiencies of your political leaders like Blair and Straw. You say you're not a party member but you really should be - they need spin doctors like you!

Eric · 03-02-2010, 09:05

I don't think that anyone who took the time to read the information that the print media put out, or listened to or watched what was available on raio and tv, or went on line to connect with the news, could have had any doubt that the WMD excuse to go to war was anything but an immense crock of horse manure. I still find it difficult to believe that HM govt. was acting out of conviction. It must be obvious that toadying to the Americans for whatever advantage was the policy of Blair's govt. I believe that I have mentioned it before; but, I'll say it again: I'm proud that the govt. of my country had the balls to stand up to Bush, and tell him "no effing way will we join in."

Wynonie Harris · 03-02-2010, 09:31

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Originally Posted by Eric

I don't think that anyone who took the time to read the information that the print media put out, or listened to or watched what was available on raio and tv, or went on line to connect with the news, could have had any doubt that the WMD excuse to go to war was anything but an immense crock of horse manure.

Exactly, so there was no excuse for the Tories to support the invasion and no excuse for the Labour government to initiate it, despite the blind refusal of Mancie and the Accyweb Labour mob to condemn them!

Bernard Dawson · 03-02-2010, 10:09

I thought Tony Blair was right about Iraq at the time.I still think he's right now.

Neil · 03-02-2010, 10:24

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

I thought Tony Blair was right about Iraq at the time.I still think he's right now.

I don't think the issue is about us being involved, its the reason that was used for going in.

Wynonie Harris · 03-02-2010, 11:14

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

I thought Tony Blair was right about Iraq at the time.I still think he's right now.

So, you think it was right to meekly follow Bush into a war against a country which posed no threat to us, on the strength of a questionable report on WMD? And if you think Blair's still right, presumably you reckon we should be considering mounting an invasion against Iran now?

Oh well, top marks for loyalty!

Barrie Yates · 03-02-2010, 15:35

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

So, you think it was right to meekly follow Bush into a war against a country which posed no threat to us, on the strength of a questionable report on WMD? And if you think Blair's still right, presumably you reckon we should be considering mounting an invasion against Iran now?

Oh well, top marks for loyalty!

We must also remember North Korea - they now have missiles and a nuclear capability. If I remember correctly, nuclear is a WMD (In fact all NBC items re WMD).

Stumped · 03-02-2010, 15:53

I think the big question is, whoever takes over the mantle of power at the general election (Europe aside), must be: 'Where do we go from here?'

Please enlighten us with the benefit of your wisdom, Mancie?

garinda · 03-02-2010, 16:06

They should whitewash the whole place.

It'd be cheaper.

'Lord Irvine told the Commons Public Administration Committee on Tuesday he had no reason to apologise for spending £59,000 on wallpaper.'
BBC News | Politics | Anger over Lord Irvine's wallpaper defence

Eric · 03-02-2010, 18:21

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

I thought Tony Blair was right about Iraq at the time.I still think he's right now.

I just don't see this. Do you mean he was right about WMD? And what is he right about now

I can't believe that you believe that he was right to invade a sovereign nation, destroy their country, kill and maim tens of thousands of innocent civilians, further destabilise a whole region, cause the needless deaths of hundreds of service men and women, all because of the twisted whims of a moron.

The suspected presence of WMDs was a lamest excuse for going to war since Jenkins' ear.

garinda · 03-02-2010, 19:11

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

I thought Tony Blair was right about Iraq at the time.I still think he's right now.

I personally know of ten ardent supporters/members of your party here in Hyndburn, who've told me they'll never vote for Labour again, because of the invasion of Iraq.

Iraq was Blair's Falklands. A war of vanity, that has resulted in many needlessly lost lives, on both sides.

Blair is so far removed from the ideal of socialist pacifism, that he's a joke.

He may see himself as the world's deeply religious trouble-shooter, but that's not what the history books will record him as.

Neil · 03-02-2010, 19:51

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Originally Posted by garinda

Iraq was Blair's Falklands.

How do you work that out. The Falklands was a success, Iraq is a mess and possibly always will be.

I still think we should have threatened Argentina with Nukes if they did not withdraw. Why have them if they are no use to us?

garinda · 03-02-2010, 20:02

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Originally Posted by Neil

How do you work that out. The Falklands was a success, Iraq is a mess and possibly always will be.

I still think we should have threatened Argentina with Nukes if they did not withdraw. Why have them if they are no use to us?

The Falklands were a political success, though probably not if you were one of the maimed, or a widow or orphan, of those who were killed.

War should be a last resort, when all diplomacy has failed, and as you say, when all other avenues have been exhausted, such as threats, trade sanctions etc.