who owns what?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by accyman

maybe teh security threat to the UK would be a lot less if the UK government stopped sticking its nose in where it has no place and starting illigal wars ?

Without any doubt to me that is 100% accurate.

[DtheP47]

[QUOTE=accyman;1062465]
at best snooping on peoples emails will catch people wanting to organise a protest about fuel prices or something which isnt what they are saying its for.

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You acnnot be serious Mr A consider all the emails, tweets, facebook updates, Tesco Clubcard Points, Subway loyalty card info, dental records CCTV footage and every bit of information entered into a computer anywhere. Big data is a boon to some but I reckon the techies at GCHQ have sharpened their act to home in on the data haystack to find the needle that might save lives somewhere rather than fuel protesters.

[accyman]

if snooping on innocent people worked there wouldnt have been any terrorist attacks to date.As the snoopers improve so do the criminals and terrorists.

rather than rely on pure luck that someone sends a dodgy email and assuming that everyone is guilty of something how about good old fashioned proof taht someone needs monitoring then monitoring that person and his aquaintances.

i can hardly see a determined terrorist setting his facebook status to "gone bombing brb "

[Less]

If they perfect a way of trapping terrorists via emails the terrorists will do what every government does and send messages by courier.
Until then I've no real worries about them reading my emails, what the hey, if they want to, I'll even CC them, they'll soon get bored and beg me to stop.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Less

If they perfect a way of trapping terrorists via emails the terrorists will do what every government does and send messages by courier.
Until then I've no real worries about them reading my emails, what the hey, if they want to, I'll even CC them, they'll soon get bored and beg me to stop.

iv sent you a reply to your comment via pigeon

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by accyman

if snooping on innocent people worked there wouldnt have been any terrorist attacks to date.As the snoopers improve so do the criminals and terrorists.
"

And thereby lies the nub Mr A ..they are not snooping on innocent people.
To quote Mr Hague "This is not a casual process. Threats against us are launched in secret, so the methods to combat them must be secret too"
To paraphrase him " There is too much information out there for anyone to be able to tell us what is right or wrong"

[Less]

Originally Posted by accyman

iv sent you a reply to your comment via pigeon

It hasn't arrived yet, do you suppose it might just have diverted to crap on Queen Vics statue over in Blackburn?

[DtheP47]

[QUOTE=Less;1062479]If they perfect a way of trapping terrorists via emails the terrorists will do what every government does and send messages by courier.
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Already happening Less... Bin Laden stopped using email and relied on couriers that's how they found him. true they monitored Abu Ahmed's phone traffic but physically followed him to the house in Abbotobad.

[Less]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

Already happening Less... Bin Laden stopped using email and relied on couriers that's how they found him. true they monitored Abu Ahmed's phone traffic but physically followed him to the house in Abbotobad.

Well there you go, perhaps this is why accymans pigeon hasn't arrived?
It knew it was being followed.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

And thereby lies the nub Mr A ..they are not snooping on innocent people.

Never had yeh down as Naive D?

[accyman]

america are years ahead of us on abusing civil liberties and they didnt stop 9/11

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by cashman

Never had yeh down as Naive D?

Not naive Ol realistic... we provide information willingly everytime we swipe our travel pass* or click to agree to a websites terms without bothering to read em'.
GCHQ really havent the time or inclination to read the minutia of peoples lives, they have developed tools/programmes to home in on threats..

But hey we are all experts now, as the growth in data runs parallel with the growth of individual power using the internet as the magnifier. We as I say are all experts, campaigners empowered to act when we think we are right and the state is wrong.

*Must apply for that bus pass current Mrs P been nagging me for ages.

[Less]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

*Must apply for that bus pass current Mrs P been nagging me for ages.

Be afraid, be very afraid!
She could be a government plank, (as Jay would say).

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Less

She could be a government plank, (as Jay would say).

She reckons I've been walking all over her for years Less

[cashman]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

Not naive Ol realistic... we provide information willingly everytime we swipe our travel pass* or click to agree to a websites terms without bothering to read em'.
GCHQ really havent the time or inclination to read the minutia of peoples lives, they have developed tools/programmes to home in on threats..

But hey we are all experts now, as the growth in data runs parallel with the growth of individual power using the internet as the magnifier. We as I say are all experts, campaigners empowered to act when we think we are right and the state is wrong.

*Must apply for that bus pass current Mrs P been nagging me for ages.

Have to disagree D, naive is my reasoning, As i know yer a well educated guy, Then i am near certain yeh must know what was going on in the 80s n probably before that? Ordinary people having telephones tapped, not because they were terrorists or a danger to peoples lives, Simply because they were Trade Union activsts, as lowly as shop stewards even n that is FACT. If that aint snooping or abuse of power, then i shudder to think what is?