Whoever kills an innocent soul.. it is as if he killed the whole of mankind... - Page 2

davo69 · 06-07-2007, 12:45

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

And if the Muslim community really wants to be taken seriously on a 'Not in my name' campaign, then they have to stop the extremist muslim clerics from poisoning the young minds of the boys of their communities. I was always led to believe that Islam was a peaceful religion.

religion is one of the three evils of this world

WillowTheWhisp · 06-07-2007, 12:58

I believe it is the misrepresentation of religion davo rather than the religion itself which causes problems.

Tealeaf · 06-07-2007, 13:06

Lovely book, the Koran. Here is another quote from it's illustrious pages:

Koran 8:50 Angels will kill atheists
"If you could see when the angels take the souls of the Unbelievers at death. How they smite their faces and backs saying "Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire" .

I think we know what it means by that. But does anybody recognise the symbolism of 8.50? Here's a clue...think back to the London bombings and the time the three tube bombs went off.

WillowTheWhisp · 06-07-2007, 13:08

Are you training to be a conspiracy theorist Tea?

Tealeaf · 06-07-2007, 13:08

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Are you training to be a conspiracy theorist Tea?

Why don't you just read the book?

Tealeaf · 06-07-2007, 13:09

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Are you training to be a conspiracy theorist Tea?

Why don't you just read the book? Or better still, if you're so impressed by Islam, why don't you convert?

WillowTheWhisp · 06-07-2007, 13:22

I have no wish to convert but I have as much respect for a devout muslim as I have for a devout mormon. (or devout anything else which means a lot to the believer but which doesn't involve them harming others.)

mani · 06-07-2007, 13:58

*L* i love that time of the london bombings thing wicked.

this whole converting kids thing started back in the 90's. radical imam's came to uk and the uk immigration allowed them to roam freely. they set up camp here and targetted uni's etc incredibly intensity. and from that u get the seeds set in to british kids that the clerics were right. as such the generations that followed werent radicialised by the clerics but by ppl who were u and me and were relating to the students much more easily.

Margaret Pilkington · 06-07-2007, 14:00

Like Willow, I believe it is the corruption and misrepresentation of religion that is evil......and sows the seeds of more evil.
And sorry, yes I did misunderstand......I was thinking that parents invited these clerics into their homes as a model for their boys...rather than the other way around.

I follow no organised religion, I just try to treat people how I would like to be treated myself and I would rather help someone than see them in trouble.

Margaret Pilkington · 06-07-2007, 14:06

Mani.....How did we radicalise these young men? Many of them were born into a country where they could follow their religion without persecution, they were educated by the state, many of them went to Universities and got good jobs. You may say that there was a climate of racial tension, but didn't some of these young men contribute to that tension. I have worked alongside people of many cultures.....I have always respected their right to know about their own culture.....but that does not make me want to renounce my own culture......nor would I ask anyone else to do the same.

cashman · 06-07-2007, 15:19

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

I think he meant that the radicals invite the impressionable young men into their homes not that the parents invite the radicals into theirs. Gosh I'm even struggling to try to explain it without it sounding like I mean it the other way round.

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thats exactly what i was meaning,but the radicals DO NOT appear to be so until the brainwashing kicks in.aint making excuses for these people but can see how impressionable kids are sucked in, like i said earlier its a hell of a job to stop this, if i remember correctly Robin Reed was just a dumb lowlife,in gaol, when he was converted not a 15yr old kid,

mani · 07-07-2007, 04:04

the radicalisation happened when the uk govt didnt check the history of certain clerics when they came to the uk - guys like abu hamza were allowed into the uk and were given minimal risk ranking

so they've gone around giving speechs to young guys who were here - its then those guys who are now provin to b a risk.

its like the whole bad apple in a barrel thing. the govt knew of a bad apple and put it in the barrel and now there's alot of bad apples

steeljack · 07-07-2007, 04:25

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Originally Posted by mani

the radicalisation happened when the uk govt didnt check the history of certain clerics when they came to the uk - guys like abu hamza were allowed into the uk and were given minimal risk ranking

so they've gone around giving speechs to young guys who were here - its then those guys who are now provin to b a risk.

its like the whole bad apple in a barrel thing. the govt knew of a bad apple and put it in the barrel and now there's alot of bad apples

good luck into trying to get either current or past elected Politicians into accepting any kind of responsibility , these people (elected politicians) have more excuses than the proverbial 'nigger on his way to jail'

( note the above is a line from the hit 1993 movie ' Whats Love got to do with it ' spoken by the Ike Turner character , so before anyone jumps on me, I'm not being racist just using a metaphor)

Gayle · 07-07-2007, 09:59

Isn't it part of every religion to go forth and spread the word? I don't think you can fault Muslims for doing that, it's just the methodology that is at fault.

In the 1800s, the Brits went forth and tried to convert as many people as possible - that's why Christianity is so far and widespread.

katex · 07-07-2007, 10:51

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Originally Posted by Gayle

Isn't it part of every religion to go forth and spread the word? I don't think you can fault Muslims for doing that, it's just the methodology that is at fault.

In the 1800s, the Brits went forth and tried to convert as many people as possible - that's why Christianity is so far and widespread.

Christians also brought lots of help with them too Gayle, like education, health benefits and living standards.

I'd like to know what muslims also have given to their followers, seems to me they just leech on us Christians. This statement is only meant in the way of a serious question as I don't really know, and would love to be corrected on my mis-informed thoughts.